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Old 06-29-2007, 05:58 AM   #181
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Coming from a person who changes the standard definition of a thing because that thing is inconvenient to his argument....
What "standard definitiions" have I changed Hank? You've accused me of this and i've explained it - what standard definitions?

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As Bearden puts it: "They called him The Cinderella Man, but that was after the Ball. Prior to winning the championship from Max Baer he was a washed up fighter who was always on the low side of the odds when he stepped into the ring, a boxer who'd lost one third of his fights."
Again, I think you're failing to understand the point you are trying to explain. Prior. Prior to winning the championship. I have no idea what you are trying to prove with this quote - that you may be wrong?

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Braddock was a journeyman. "No, he wasn't, because he won the title." But before he won the title, was he considered a journeyman? "Worse, they said he was washed up, a bum."



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Max Baer didn't take Braddock seriously - who did? - and didn't train and clowned his way through the fight. Braddock - on a fluke - was awarded the title. And that erases his record? That changes everything? He's no longer a journeyman (let's at least give that)?
There is no point in discussing Baer with you. I've heard you describe him as a "bum" and as a "clown" and "utterly unskilled". In this area you are deficient in your understanding to an extent where it's almost impossible to engage you.

This is also whey nowhere in this argument have I raised any fights Braddock won - even the Baer fight itself - because I know what your response will be. To paraphrase - "he was rubbish". Braddock was a very brave fighter who was handed an earned chance and took it. According to Baer he took the fight seriously. Also according to Baer he hurt his deadly right hand in the fight - though, gentleman that he is (and possibly accuratley) he suggested he would have lost it anyway.

Your entire argument hangs on world title challengers and actual champioins being bums and useless. It actually makes me dizzy trying to understand the roof of your arrogance.

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Max Baer, by not taking Braddock seriously, changed the past. Who would have thought that Max Baer's clowning is a time machine.
If I had a time machine I would go back and waste less time asking you to clarify your muddy points in this thread (including an unpleasant racial one), you've answered less than half of them.
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Old 06-29-2007, 06:12 AM   #182
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Galento and Braddock were the ones who I implied as being Journeyman in that paragraph.
I don't think that either of them can be considered journeymen.

They both got to the top of the rankings by beating other ranked contenders. Therfore they were world class fighters of the period.
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Old 06-29-2007, 06:51 AM   #183
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Factoring "head to head" in your rankings is silly and pointless. It's all a big guessing game. For all you know, Liston loses to Braddock, Ruiz, Sullivan, etc.

Stop wasting your time (and mine) with this bullshit and rank fighters how they should be ranked.

Your very confident for a new poster who has never posted here before ever...

I like the head to heads. It's fun.
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Old 06-29-2007, 06:59 AM   #184
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That's right.
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Old 06-29-2007, 07:03 AM   #185
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Prime Frazier....


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Old 06-29-2007, 08:08 AM   #186
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He's new to the concept of posting under a different name.
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Old 06-29-2007, 03:55 PM   #187
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Old 07-01-2007, 06:14 PM   #188
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1. Muhammad Ali
2. Joe Louis
3. Jack Johnson
4. Larry Holmes
5. Sonny Liston
6. George Foreman
7. Lennox Lewis
8. Joe Frazier
9. Jack Dempsey
10. Evander Holyfield
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Old 07-01-2007, 06:17 PM   #189
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1. Muhammad Ali
2. Joe Louis
3. Jack Johnson
4. Larry Holmes
5. Sonny Liston
6. George Foreman
7. Lennox Lewis
8. Joe Frazier
9. Jack Dempsey
10. Evander Holyfield
This list is straight out of the top drawer in my view.

No Tyson? He just broke into mine at #10.

No Foreman? He just dipped out of mine at #11/

And where do you rate Jeffreis? I'm interested in Johnson but no Jeffries.
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Old 07-01-2007, 06:25 PM   #190
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No order, but here are the guys in my top 10

Joe Louis
Muhammad Ali
Larry Holmes
Jack Dempsey
Jack Johnson
Rocky Marciano
George Foreman
Lennox Lewis
Evander Holyfield
Joe Frazier

Here are the honorable mentions
Sonny Liston
James Jeffries
Mike Tyson
Ezzard Charles
Gene Tunney
Jersey Joe Walcott
John L. Sullivan
James Corbett
Harry Wills
Max Schmeling
Sam Langford
Bob Fitzsimmons
Max Baer
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Old 07-01-2007, 06:46 PM   #191
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1. Muhammad Ali
2. Joe Louis
3. Jack Johnson
4. Larry Holmes
5. Sonny Liston
6. George Foreman
7. Lennox Lewis
8. Joe Frazier
9. Jack Dempsey
10. Evander Holyfield
Very good list but Tyson should be in there if you have Liston there and Johnson should go down to the bottom half of the top ten.
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Old 07-01-2007, 07:45 PM   #192
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This list is straight out of the top drawer in my view.

No Tyson? He just broke into mine at #10.

No Foreman? He just dipped out of mine at #11/

And where do you rate Jeffreis? I'm interested in Johnson but no Jeffries.
i have Jeffries in 12th

i put forman in becauce George beat badly every fighter of the Golden age, with the exception of Ali. George destroyed Frazier and Norton 1x by KO. Ali lost to Norton and struggled with Joe losing once. George came back in the 90's ( another great generation of fighting) and won the heavyweight championship at 45,

i have not got tyson in becuse i dont feel he even beat anyone great larry holmes was past it Tony Tucker, [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] and [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] were good but never really great his lost to Douglas was embarrassing for him he also quit against Holyfield
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Old 07-01-2007, 07:48 PM   #193
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i put forman in becauce George beat badly every fighter of the Golden age, with the exception of Ali. George destroyed Frazier and Norton 1x by KO. Ali lost to Norton and struggled with Joe losing once. George came back in the 90's ( another great generation of fighting) and won the heavyweight championship at 45,

i have not got tyson in becuse i dont feel he even beat anyone great larry holmes was past it Tony Tucker, [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] and [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] were good but never really great his lost to Douglas was embarrassing for him he also quit against Holyfield
I have Tyson in on the head to head - hard to score him at less than a 40% against any fighter except Ali, who I think would do him.

Totally missed Foreman on your list, don't know why!

Anyway, nice one.
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Old 07-01-2007, 07:56 PM   #194
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what is your top ten anyway McGrain
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Old 07-01-2007, 07:59 PM   #195
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what is your top ten anyway McGrain
Well, you'd actually find it earlier in this thread, but as you ask (any excuse)

1) Ali
2) Louis
3) Liston
4) Johnson
5) Lewis
6) Jeffries
7) Frazier
Holmes
9) Hollyfield
10) Tyson
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11) Foreman
12) Dempsey
13) Marciano

I do have a habit of changing things around.

Nice avatar man.
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