My top 10 Heavyweights

[hopkinsfan07]

Originally Posted by TBooze

You have all the right fighters; just they are all pretty much in the wrong place!!!

Originally Posted by TBooze

20: Riddick Bowe

errrrr maybe you should have a look at your list first

[TBooze]

Originally Posted by hopkinsfan07

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errrrr maybe you should have a look at your list first

Who the hell are you to throw my words back at me?

Stop being defensive and answer my criticism with a positive response rather than a negative defensive question... Or have you something to hide?

[hopkinsfan07]

Originally Posted by TBooze

Who the hell are you to throw my words back at me?

Stop being defensive and answer my criticism with a positive response rather than a negative defensive question... Or have you something to hide?

i have not got them all in the wrong places you have thats why i highlighted the fact that you have Bowe at 20

and what could i have to hide what is that all about

[Muchmoore]

Originally Posted by hopkinsfan07

My top 20

1. Muhammad Ali
2. Joe Louis
3. Jack Johnson
4. Larry Holmes
5. Sonny Liston
6. George Foreman
7. Lennox Lewis
8. Joe Frazier
9. Jack Dempsey
10. Evander Holyfield
11th. Rocky Marciano
12th. James Jeffries
13th. Jack Dempsey
14th. Gene Tunney
15th. Jersey Joe Walcott
16th. Ezzard Charles
17th. Max Schmelling
18th. Jersey Joe Walcott
19th. Sam Langford
20th. Jack Sharkey

No Tyson?! Dempsey also should move up at least 3-4 spots too.

How do you justify putting Jack Sharkey and Gene Tunney on your list and not Tyson even on it? He had ten title defenses, was youngest ever champion, and was a two time champion. Those accomplishments definently warrant at least a top 15 ranking, and I havent even mentioned head to head!

Tyson head to head is even a greater fighter than he is when talking about accomplishments, almost everyone agrees to this. He demolished tall, clever boxers like Larry Holmes, Tyrell Biggs, Pinklon Thomas, Tony Tucker, Carl Williams, and Tony Tubbs. He destroyed one of the greatest light heavyweight champions Michael Spinks, destroyed big tough punchers in Bonecrusher Smith, Frank Bruno, and Andrew Golota. He also stopped Berbick, a guy who went the distance with a peak Holmes, in 2 rounds.

How does that put him below 20th on an ATG list?

[hopkinsfan07]

Originally Posted by Muchmoore

No Tyson?! Dempsey also should move up at least 3-4 spots too.

How do you justify putting Jack Sharkey and Gene Tunney on your list and not Tyson even on it? He had ten title defenses, was youngest ever champion, and was a two time champion. Those accomplishments definently warrant at least a top 15 ranking, and I havent even mentioned head to head!

Tyson head to head is even a greater fighter than he is when talking about accomplishments, almost everyone agrees to this. He demolished tall, clever boxers like Larry Holmes, Tyrell Biggs, Pinklon Thomas, Tony Tucker, Carl Williams, and Tony Tubbs. He destroyed one of the greatest light heavyweight champions Michael Spinks, destroyed big tough punchers in Bonecrusher Smith, Frank Bruno, and Andrew Golota. He also stopped Berbick, a guy who went the distance with a peak Holmes, in 2 rounds.

How does that put him below 20th on an ATG list?

that was genuine mistake missing tyson i will edit my list
but i said earlyer in this thread my reason for tyson not being top ten

[TBooze]

Originally Posted by hopkinsfan07

i have not got them all in the wrong places you have thats why i highlighted the fact that you have Bowe at 20

and what could i have to hide what is that all about

Clever spin Mr Blair, answer a close question with an open answer, that way, you do not have to defend yourself!

[hopkinsfan07]

1. Muhammad Ali
2. Joe Louis
3. Jack Johnson
4. Larry Holmes
5. Sonny Liston
6. George Foreman
7. Lennox Lewis
8. Joe Frazier
9. Jack Dempsey
10. Evander Holyfield
11th. Rocky Marciano
12th. James Jeffries
13th. Jack Dempsey
14th. Mike Tyson
15th. Gene Tunney
16th. Jersey Joe Walcott
17th. Ezzard Charles
18th. Max Schmelling
19th. Jersey Joe Walcott
20th. Sam Langford

[TBooze]

Originally Posted by hopkinsfan07

1. Muhammad Ali
2. Joe Louis
3. Jack Johnson
4. Larry Holmes
5. Sonny Liston
6. George Foreman
7. Lennox Lewis
8. Joe Frazier
9. Jack Dempsey
10. Evander Holyfield
11th. Rocky Marciano
12th. James Jeffries
13th. Jack Dempsey
14th. Mike Tyson
15th. Gene Tunney
16th. Jersey Joe Walcott
17th. Ezzard Charles
18th. Max Schmelling
19th. Jersey Joe Walcott
20th. Sam Langford

Actually for all your spin that is a pretty good list IMHO.

[hopkinsfan07]

that was just me adding tyson lol

[hopkinsfan07]

Originally Posted by azim

Well, what´s with Jersey Joe Walcott beeing 2 times on your list?

ahh thats why i missed out tyson becuse i copy and pasted the wrong name lol

[Lostmykeys]

Do any of you guys think Holyfield should be excluded because of the steroid issue?

[McGrain]

Originally Posted by Lostmykeys

Do any of you guys think Holyfield should be excluded because of the steroid issue?

Not yet, no.

As of now these allegations are unproven. Moslty.

[Hank]

Marciano
Dempsey
Louis
Tyson

the rest

most overated--Ali

[NickHudson]

The brightest flames burn out the quickest.

Tyson was a staggering force of nature aged 18-25.

After that he was gone.

LLs candle never really got going, so his athleticism aged very well.

When his peers were punch drunk, he accepted morally cheap, legacy-building fights with them...

I know I keep beating up on Lewis but I feel strongly that he is sneaking into company he doesnt really belong with.

Originally Posted by UpWithEvil

You kids need to meet by the bike racks after school. No teachers.


Does Buster Douglas count as a "twilight loss" for Tyson? He was 30 when he faced Holyfield for the first time - twilight?

[Zakman]

1. Ali
2. Louis
3. Dempsey
4. Foreman
5. Holmes
6, Marciano
7. Holyfield
8. Johnson
9. Liston
10. Frazier
11. Tyson
12. Jeffries
13. Lewis
14. Langford
15. Walcott
16. Charles
17.Bowe
18. Tunney
19. Schmeling
20. Corbett
21. Baer
22.Wills
23.Sharkey
24.Patterson
25.Johansson