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Old 06-22-2007, 09:12 AM   #16
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Every great fighter of history with a chin and with some power would have chances against Tyson, not that I say they beat him for sure, but have a chance, these fighters are for example: Liston, Wills, Ali, Holmes, Marciano, Foreman, etc., IMO a Top 10 list should always contain a mixture of ca. 70 % legacy and 30 % head-to-head- evaluation...[/QUOTE
Sure, Any of the great fighters you mention there would have a chance against Tyson. But likewise Tyson would have a good chance against them also, Except with Ali. He would have frustrated Tyson and killed him (metaphorically speaking).

Just curious, but what number would you rank Foreman and Tyson?
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Old 06-22-2007, 09:18 AM   #17
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Sure, Any of the great fighters you mention there would have a chance against Tyson. But likewise Tyson would have a good chance against them also, Except with Ali. He would have frustrated Tyson and killed him (metaphorically speaking).

Just curious, but what number would you rank Foreman and Tyson?

Of course near the Top10, Foreman perhaps at 12th, Tyson at 14th...
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Old 06-22-2007, 09:20 AM   #18
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Sure, Any of the great fighters you mention there would have a chance against Tyson. But likewise Tyson would have a good chance against them also, Except with Ali. He would have frustrated Tyson and killed him (metaphorically speaking).

Just curious, but what number would you rank Foreman and Tyson?

But Iīm curious why you give only Ali a 100 % winning chance, here we see again how overrated he is. Tyson had a great left hook, and we all know that Ali was very unimmunized for these kind of punches, and donīt forget Tyson was a great finisher who could finish him quickly when he would be hurt, and Tyson wasnīt also a wide-swinging and slow fighter like Foreman, he was very quick in his prime...
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Old 06-22-2007, 09:30 AM   #19
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But I´m curious why you give only Ali a 100 % winning chance, here we see again how overrated he is. Tyson had a great left hook, and we all know that Ali was very unimmunized for these kind of punches, and don´t forget Tyson was a great finisher who could finish him quickly when he would be hurt, and Tyson wasn´t also a wide-swinging and slow fighter like Foreman, he was very quick in his prime...
The reason I rate Ali's chances so highly is that, regardless of his susceptability to being caught with the left hook. In my opinion he had the best chin of any heavyweight ever. Futhermore, his ability to recouperate was astonishing. Even if Tyson caught him and hurt him, he'd have the best chance of recovering and would get up off the canvess to win if necessary. Ali's heart and never say die attitude would have the effect of garlic to a vampire on Tyson.
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Old 06-22-2007, 09:32 AM   #20
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But I´m curious why you give only Ali a 100 % winning chance, here we see again how overrated he is.
Did you say Ali is overrated? or were you referring to Tyson?
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Old 06-22-2007, 10:52 AM   #21
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Hey, seems like you found your way in creating thread. Good thing.

Excuse the critics by the others, I asked you because I was curious to see your top ten (not necessarly heavyweight, could have been P4P).
Very good list by the way, a true contemporain list of the last 40 years.
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Old 06-22-2007, 11:00 AM   #22
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Foreman in the top-5 strikes me as being "wacky". He was a mighty slugger, to be sure, but he was crude with questionable stamina. I couldn't imagine him beat, say, Sonny Liston, for example.
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Old 06-22-2007, 11:16 AM   #23
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1. Joe Louis
2. Muhammad Ali
3. George Foreman
4. Rocky Marciano
5. Jack Johnson
6. Joe Frazier
7. Larry Holmes
8. Sonny Liston
9. Lennox Lewis
10. Jack Dempsey
11. Jersey Joe Walcott
12. Evander Holyfield
13. Jim Jeffries
14. Sam Langford
15. Mike Tyson

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Old 06-22-2007, 11:21 AM   #24
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1 Cassius Clay
2 Joe Louis
3 Rocky Marciano
4 Sonny Liston
5 Larry Holmes
6 Jack Johnson
7 George Foreman
8 Lennox Lewis
9 Evander Holyfield
10 Joe Frazier
11 Mike Tyson
12 Jim Jeffries
13 Jack Dempsey
14 Jersey Joe Walcott
15 Ezzard Charles
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Old 06-22-2007, 11:42 AM   #25
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Hey, seems like you found your way in creating thread. Good thing.

Excuse the critics by the others, I asked you because I was curious to see your top ten (not necessarly heavyweight, could have been P4P).
Very good list by the way, a true contemporain list of the last 40 years.
Thanks mate, appreciate it.

My P4P list would have caused even more controversy, and seeing as though I'm new here don't want everyone to think I'm crazy!!!
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Old 06-22-2007, 11:44 AM   #26
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My list

1. Joe Louis
2. Muhamad Ali
3. Jack Johnson
4. Jim Jeffries
5. Jack Dempsey
6. Rocky Marciano
7. Sonny Liston
8. Lenox Lewis
9. Sam Langford
10. Joe Frazier

11. Larry Holmes
12. Harry Wills
13. Mike Tyson
14. George Foreman
15. Evander Hollyfield
16. James Corbett
17. Joe Walcott
18. Max Schmeling

19. Ezzard Charles
20. Bob Fitzsimmons

Whats your reasoning for having Holmes that low, and having guys like Frazier and Liston ahead of him?

Here's my list:

1. Joe Louis
2. Muhammad Ali
3. Rocky Marciano
4. Larry Holmes
5. Jack Dempsey
6. Jack Johnson
7. George Foreman
8. Sonny Liston
9. Joe Frazier
10. Ezzard Charles.
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Old 06-22-2007, 12:21 PM   #27
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Thanks mate, appreciate it.

My P4P list would have caused even more controversy, and seeing as though I'm new here don't want everyone to think I'm crazy!!!
Don't worry we have seen much more worse list than that !
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Old 06-22-2007, 12:41 PM   #28
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1. Muhammad Ali
2. Sonny Liston
3. George Foreman
4. Mike Tyson
5. Joe Louis
6. Larry Holmes
7. Joe Frazier
8. Jack Johnson
9. Jack Dempsey
10. Lennox Lewis
11. Evander Holyfield
12. Rocky Marciano
13. Rid**** Bowe
14. Floyd Patterson
15. Ezzard Charles
16. Jersey Joe Walcott
17. Gene Tunney
18. Jim Jeffries
19. Ken Norton
20. Sam Langford

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Old 06-22-2007, 01:17 PM   #29
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Whats your reasoning for having Holmes that low, and having guys like Frazier and Liston ahead of him?
Mainly that they fought better oposition and were more dominant against them.

Having said that I mave placed Holmes in verry select company here.
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Old 06-22-2007, 01:24 PM   #30
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1 Louis
2 Ali
3 Johnson
4 Marciano
5 Dempsey
6 Holmes
7 Jeff
8 Lewis
9 Fraizer
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