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Old 01-02-2009, 05:19 AM   #16
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Morrison should be lower on the list. Bruce Seldon should be higher - useless. Bruno was not that bad - lowend of the list.
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Old 01-02-2009, 07:11 AM   #17
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Pity. A number of good fighters and honest triers on that list. But it is a champions' list. So some people has to be on it, I guess.
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Old 01-02-2009, 07:27 AM   #18
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I don't think that Terrell belongs on that list. His style was a bit unattactive, but he was pretty effective, in a safety-first sort of way, and he had a GREAT left jab. He just had the misfortune of being in the way of a pissed off, fired up Muhammad Ali, that's all.
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Old 01-02-2009, 10:08 AM   #19
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I just found this old list I had found on-line and printed out about 7 or 8 years ago. The URL it came from is long gone now, which is a shame because there was a quick analysis that went along with each pick, but here is the list itself. Keep in mind, it only covers up to the year 2000 (so don't go asking me where John Ruiz is!! ).

1) Damiani
2) Morrisson
3) Bentt
4) Leon Spinks
5) Carnera
6) Marvin Hart
7) Seldon
Braddock
9) Dokes
10) McCall
11) Coetzee
12) Bruno
13) Douglas
14) Herbie Hide
15) Shannon Briggs
16) John Tate
17) Jess Willard
1 Mike Weaver
19) Ernie Terrell
20) Greg Page

What do you guys think? Personally, I think spots on here could be made for Moorer, Bonecrusher, Berbick, or Pinklon Thomas. Maybe Michael Spinks could be knocking on the door of this list as well?
I do find it interesting that two guys who beat that ATG Jack Johnson made the list.
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Old 01-02-2009, 10:18 AM   #20
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Jimmy Braddock shouldn't be on the list

He went into the Baer fight a huge underdog against a man who killed Frankie Campbell in the ring and got his tactics spot on
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Old 01-02-2009, 10:22 AM   #21
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Hide should be in the top five.
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Old 01-02-2009, 10:24 AM   #22
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I'm not sure how this list is intended to work, but if #1 represents the absolute worst, then Francesco Damiani should not be up there. Additonally, Mike Weaver was a better fighter than some lineal champions that I can think of, and like one poster mentioned, where is Valuev?
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Old 01-02-2009, 10:57 AM   #23
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its only of the 20th century so valuev wassnt champ in 1999 so hes not on the list
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Old 01-02-2009, 11:55 AM   #24
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I just found this old list I had found on-line and printed out about 7 or 8 years ago. The URL it came from is long gone now, which is a shame because there was a quick analysis that went along with each pick, but here is the list itself. Keep in mind, it only covers up to the year 2000 (so don't go asking me where John Ruiz is!! ).

1) Damiani
2) Morrisson
3) Bentt
4) Leon Spinks
5) Carnera
6) Marvin Hart
7) Seldon
Braddock
9) Dokes
10) McCall
11) Coetzee
12) Bruno
13) Douglas
14) Herbie Hide
15) Shannon Briggs
16) John Tate
17) Jess Willard
1 Mike Weaver
19) Ernie Terrell
20) Greg Page

What do you guys think? Personally, I think spots on here could be made for Moorer, Bonecrusher, Berbick, or Pinklon Thomas. Maybe Michael Spinks could be knocking on the door of this list as well?
I dont think that Primo Carnera should be on the list. He actualy has a prety respectable body of work overall.
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Old 01-02-2009, 01:04 PM   #25
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John Ruiz takes the top ten spots IMO as the absolute worst heavyweight champion in the history of the sport. He's miles worse than Carnera who was basically the mob controlled heavyweight champion. Thankfully Joe Louis put an end to that joke. I'd rank Earnie Terrell a little higher up as one of the worst HCOAT. It's shameful to this day that he thinks he beat George Chuvalo. I'd put that fight as one of the biggest robberies in the sport right beside Lewis vs Holyfield I, Leonard vs Hearns II, and Delahoya vs Quartey.
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Old 01-02-2009, 03:47 PM   #26
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What do you guys think? Personally, I think spots on here could be made for Moorer, Bonecrusher, Berbick, or Pinklon Thomas. Maybe Michael Spinks could be knocking on the door of this list as well?

Tony Tucker has kicked the door down. How you can possibly consider Spinks, who beat a great champ and was a legit #1 and not Tucker, who won a vacant title and held it for eight weeks is beyond me. Overall, pretty good list. Ray Mercer should be on there as well as Tucker and I agree with the people saying Seldon should be higher.
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Old 01-02-2009, 05:59 PM   #27
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I'm not sure how this list is intended to work, but if #1 represents the absolute worst, then Francesco Damiani should not be up there. Additonally, Mike Weaver was a better fighter than some lineal champions that I can think of, and like one poster mentioned, where is Valuev?
1) Yes, it goes from worst to least-worst, meaning the #1 (Damiani) is ranked the worst on this list.

2) Damnit, what part of 20th century don't people understand on here!!

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Tony Tucker has kicked the door down. How you can possibly consider Spinks, who beat a great champ and was a legit #1 and not Tucker, who won a vacant title and held it for eight weeks is beyond me.
Because Tucker lasted more than 90 seconds when he lost his title.

Anyway, I only just threw out a few names.
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Old 01-02-2009, 06:54 PM   #29
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Who would be in that list now?

Valuev, probably.

Maybe Maskaev? He doesn't get a lot of love.

And people hate the hell out of Ruiz.

Perhaps Sultan Ibragimov.
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Old 01-02-2009, 07:02 PM   #30
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Who would be in that list now?

Valuev, probably.

Maybe Maskaev? He doesn't get a lot of love.

And people hate the hell out of Ruiz.
All good picks, especially Maskaev.

Rahman would be on there too IMO.

Who knows, maybe even Byrd or Sam Peter too.
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