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Old 06-19-2007, 08:01 PM   #1
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Default the greatest journeyman

i made this thread before and got loads of suggestions

and i used to go back to it and as sadly we have lost the files of the threads. so im starting it again.

ok to dfine a journeyman they can win fights even a large majority and can win a title but they have a a huge portion of losses.

so any discuss
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Old 06-19-2007, 08:06 PM   #2
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well yea true but i mean you can win a title and maybe defend it a few times but not a charles i think your being a little cheeky
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Old 06-19-2007, 08:07 PM   #3
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mine is buck smith. the man was just a fringe contender at best, but managed to get into the record books for his 118 knockout victories.
and he did it by teaching himself to box and never had a trainer.

manning galloway also deserves a mention.
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Old 06-19-2007, 08:11 PM   #4
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mine is buck smith. the man was just a fringe contender at best, but managed to get into the record books for his 118 knockout victories.
and he did it by teaching himself to box and never had a trainer.

manning galloway also deserves a mention.
yeah buck smith you told me about him fightign twice on the same day
crazy guy good for him
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Old 06-19-2007, 08:19 PM   #5
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By your criteria it would be Ezzard Charles.

Good mention, I would vote Pernell Whitaker.
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Old 06-19-2007, 08:22 PM   #6
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George"S****iron"Johnson,Marion Wilson,Ross Purity, Levi Billups,BigFoot Martin,Saul Montana,
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Old 06-19-2007, 08:29 PM   #7
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Really? He had A LOT of losses? Stop trying dude, you're not even clever. Pernell didn;t fit his criteria at all, and based on his criteria you could say Charles, even though he clearly was not a journeyman. So **** off.

Dumb respond for a stupid post. Charles had ca. 120 fights, Whitaker 45, big difference, Charles has also the deeper resume...
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Old 06-19-2007, 08:38 PM   #8
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James J Braddock
Mickey Wards
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Old 06-19-2007, 11:47 PM   #9
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Would Kevin Pompay qualify?
Reggie Strickland ?
Tony Rutledge ?
Bruce Strauss?
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I've always thought of a journeyman as someone who loses who he's supposed to lose to, and beats who he's supposed to beat. The
"best" journeymen break the pattern once or twice in their career and become loved for it - Braddock winning the World title, Ward beating Gatti (Although I admit he was immensley respected even prior to this)

They're basically good fighters who aren't realistically expected to contend for a title, but may prove to be a banana peel and will give you a good fight.

Lovemore N'Dou is probably my favourite current. You have to love Ward.

I don't consider Jersey Joe a journeyman, I think that's a little disrespectful to a solid contender with an incredible resume and some impressive wins.
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Old 06-20-2007, 06:45 AM   #11
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I just said Charles wasn't a journeyman you assclown! I said based on the OP's criteria he could be considered one, even though in actuality he wasn't. Learn to read. Obviously he had a deeper resume being that he had almost 3 times the amount of fights. For his number of fights, Pernell's was amazingly deep.

What a surprise that you defend Pernell. Fact is, never mind what the thread creator asked, a great fighter like Charles and the noun journeyman donīt fit eachother, like Prince and women. If Whitaker would have fought the calibres of Louis, Walcott, Marciano, Satterfield, Wallace, Layne, Valdes, Johnson, Bivins, Brion, Maxim, Oma, Ray, Moore, Burley, etc. he would have also more losses. Same with Marciano, if he would have fought Foreman, Ali, Liston, etc. he wouldnīt also be undefeated, thatīs logical. Charles career has so many great names in it, not comparable with Whitakerīs resume. And with your childish swearwords, it would be better you reserve and save them for your mother...
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Old 06-20-2007, 07:50 AM   #12
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I guess by the criteria outlined Jack Johnson would be the obvious choice.

Once a fighter starts beating ranked contenders they cannot be called a journeyman any more. Once they win the title they don't bellong in the same sentence as the word.

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Tom "the Bomb" Bethea ( Actually upset Nino Benvenuti in a non title fight
- but could not do it with the title on the line)

Carlos Marks
Roberto Davilia
Jack O'hallaran
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George Chaplin. He arguably beat Greg Page in two fights( though I think Greg edged him) and gave Michael Dokes fits.He looked good in a round against Gerry ****ey before being stopped and went the distance with Gerrie Coetzee.
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Old 06-20-2007, 01:18 PM   #15
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I guess by the criteria outlined Jack Johnson would be the obvious choice.

Once a fighter starts beating ranked contenders they cannot be called a journeyman any more. Once they win the title they don't bellong in the same sentence as the word.
mike weaver
adrian dodson
kieth mullings
all titlist and beat good guys but were beaten by guys who had little skill power.



what about....tony galento
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