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Old 08-11-2007, 11:40 AM   #1
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had you in trouble, hurt, dazed etc he made sure to finish you off. He was relentless & brutal in making sure the finish the job. No one ever was able to withstand his beatings once he got the upper hand. My question is this.... Would any of the all time greats be able to come back against him to win, or would Rocky continue to pummel them into submission?
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Old 08-11-2007, 12:39 PM   #2
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If Rocky Marciano had you hurt then he tended to increase his workrate to 100 punches per round or more. Obviously not good if you are already in trouble.
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Old 08-11-2007, 01:07 PM   #3
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Larry Holmes was decent at coming back, or at least fighting through tought moments, but once Rocky Marciano got started, typicaly you weren't gonna make it. And with his one punch, out cold power, he really didn't need to finish you if you were hurt really bad. All he would need to do is hit you once clean with Suzie Q, and you were out.
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Old 08-11-2007, 05:14 PM   #4
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Holyfield (Warrior's heart)

Holyfield+Steroids (Warriors heart plust more testosterone)

Oliver Mccall (The guy had one of the best chins period).
Holyfield the ATG heavyweight who has 11 losses on his record, I forgot about how hard to beat he was...
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Old 08-11-2007, 05:17 PM   #5
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Holyfield the ATG heavyweight who has 11 losses on his record, I forgot about how hard to beat he was...
Hard enough when he was the underdog if I remember right.
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Old 08-11-2007, 05:21 PM   #6
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Hard enough when he was the underdog if I remember right.
If you boxed him, kept the fight on the outside like lewis did to him in both his wins then he was not hard to beat. I seem to remember him being the underdog against Lewis so that blows apart your theory.

Holyfields "heart" was only a factor when you let him get close to you and let it go to the inside. Lewis executed the perfect strategy against Holyfield because he never let it go to the inside.
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Old 08-11-2007, 05:29 PM   #7
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If you boxed him, kept the fight on the outside like lewis did to him in both his wins then he was not hard to beat.
Then you do it.

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I seem to remember him being the underdog against Lewis so that blows apart your theory.
I seem to remember Lewis being the decided underdog.

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Holyfields "heart" was only a factor when you let him get close to you and let it go to the inside. Lewis executed the perfect strategy against Holyfield because he never let it go to the inside.
He did but it is easier said than done. Not everybody has Lewis's tools.
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Old 08-11-2007, 05:36 PM   #8
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I spoke to Walcott, I was impressed with the size of his hands and neck and he was 63, I fought many men but even at 63 he looked like he had the know how and the power to make it differcult, and he said imagine being hurt,tired,really tired but doing good gives you adrenilene but, here is a guy who keeps coming, got off the floor stronger and every punch he throws hurts, and he just keeps punching, arms, head,body,neck, you try and catch your breath and Bam they get harder. Walcott also said before the fight, he had it won but Marciano was easy to beat watching him but harder to beat in the ring trying to do it, he was a hard guy to time consistantly
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Then you do it.



I seem to remember Lewis being the decided underdog.



He did but it is easier said than done. Not everybody has Lewis's tools.
1. I am not a professional boxer, who is a title contender in the heavyweight division so this comment is very childish.
2. Lewis was the favourite in UK against Holyfield in both fights. I dont know whether you are from the USA. I would not be surprised if you were, if you are trying to tell me that Holyfield was a favourite to beat Lewis in both fights or even just the first one.

3. Lewis had the tools yes, but many other fighters have beaten Holyfield without executing the perfect strategy. He has been beaten by far worse fighters than Lewis , like a former middleweight with a pot belly for instance.
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Old 08-11-2007, 05:50 PM   #10
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Holyfield (Warrior's heart)

Holyfield+Steroids (Warriors heart plust more testosterone)

Oliver Mccall (The guy had one of the best chins period).

the Body shots VS former middleweight Tony were very effective vs Holyfield and those Body shots made Evander know enough was enough, guys that hurt you to the body have that effect
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Holy would chop Rocky's head off. Holy with power,chin,will and skills. Marciano on a stretcher.
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Old 08-11-2007, 06:13 PM   #12
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the Body shots VS former middleweight Tony were very effective vs Holyfield and those Body shots made Evander know enough was enough, guys that hurt you to the body have that effect

You can't compare Tony's skills with Marciano's brawling style.
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1. I am not a professional boxer, who is a title contender in the heavyweight division so this comment is very childish.
That coment puts what you are saying into perspective.

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2. Lewis was the favourite in UK against Holyfield in both fights. I dont know whether you are from the USA. I would not be surprised if you were, if you are trying to tell me that Holyfield was a favourite to beat Lewis in both fights or even just the first one.
I live in the UK

The press at the time made Hollyfield out to be a strong favourite.

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3. Lewis had the tools yes, but many other fighters have beaten Holyfield without executing the perfect strategy. He has been beaten by far worse fighters than Lewis , like a former middleweight with a pot belly for instance.
The worst fighter to beat him was good enough that other all time greats have lost to worse.

Incidentaly I am often a Hollyfield critic.
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Old 08-11-2007, 06:30 PM   #14
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You can't compare Tony's skills with Marciano's brawling style.
Correct

No more than you can compare Tony's piter patter punches to Marciano's bombs.
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Old 08-11-2007, 06:36 PM   #15
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Ali could do it.

Frazier possibly.
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