Who has been the better overall fighter Toney or Holyfield?

Terrible Terry · 08-14-2007, 07:13 AM

Both guys are bad dudes but who has had the better career?

emanuel_augustus · 08-14-2007, 07:58 AM

Toney was far more skilled than Holyfield, but Holyfield was obviously more popular and made way more money due to his success in his prime at heavyweight.

Toney was the more complete fighter, though, and I think if you compare resumes, accomplished more impressive things.

BewareofDawg · 08-14-2007, 08:05 AM

Holyfield.

Jazzo · 08-14-2007, 08:08 AM

Are you taking weight into account?

I am not sure how this works.

Well, the answer, anyway, is Holyfield.

He was the better fighter - the more successful fighter.

bill poster · 08-14-2007, 08:09 AM

Toney

08-14-2007, 08:12 AM

Holyfield is better.
He accomplished greater things.

But if James Toney had bothered to stay in some sort of shape it might have been a different story.

FlatNose · 08-14-2007, 09:03 AM

Toney is an underachiever, Holyfield an overachiever.If Toney worked as hard as Holyfield, James would probably be a chisled light heavyweight .
Toney is a more skilled boxer for sure, but Holyfields work ethic and will are his ingredients for success.Toneys success is in spite of his eating disorder.

brooklyn1550 · 08-14-2007, 09:09 AM

Evander Holyfield

Jazzo · 08-14-2007, 09:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sonny's jab

Holyfield is better.
He accomplished greater things.

But if James Toney had bothered to stay in some sort of shape it might have been a different story.

On that note:

If my mother had testicles, I might have been confused.

Scar · 08-14-2007, 09:54 AM

Holyfield.

Shpion · 08-14-2007, 09:57 AM

Are we talking in terms of accomplishments or skills? In terms of accomplishments I have Holy way above Toney, where in terms of skills they are about even in my book, considering they were completely two different types of fighters.

Illmatic · 08-14-2007, 09:59 AM

what the hell....

There are actually people picking Toney!??/ What?

This isn't even close. Toney won titles in three divisions, while HOLYFIELD WON CHAMPIONSHIPS.

Who's the greatest fighter Toney has beaten? Nunn? Jirov?

Holyfield's resume is a who's who of the last 20 years. Qawi, De Leon, Douglas, Tyson, Bowe, Foreman, Pinklon Thomas, Michael Dokes, Larry Holmes, Ray Mercer...and there are people that think TONEY, one of the biggest wastes of talent in the last 20 years, has been the overall better fighter? Get the hell out of here...why the hell does Toney have so many fans

Shpion · 08-14-2007, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Illmatic

what the hell....

There are actually people picking Toney!??/ What?

This isn't even close. Toney won titles in three divisions, while HOLYFIELD WON CHAMPIONSHIPS.

Who's the greatest fighter Toney has beaten? Nunn? Jirov?

Holyfield's resume is a who's who of the last 20 years. Qawi, De Leon, Douglas, Tyson, Bowe, Foreman, Pinklon Thomas, Michael Dokes, Larry Holmes, Ray Mercer...and there are people that think TONEY, one of the biggest wastes of talent in the last 20 years, has been the overall better fighter? Get the hell out of here...why the hell does Toney have so many fans

I did not want to be as explicit as you were, as I could not fully understand the thread topic question but you are absolutely correct.

Lex · 08-14-2007, 10:25 AM

Toney at his best is fun to watch. But he's seldom at his best.

Holyfield has the proven resume, being at his best not only during his prime, but rising to the challenge again and again as a heavyweight to rebound from defeats or underwhelming victories.

Both were capable of throwing magnificent combinations, but Toney was mostly an inside fighter. Holyfield could fight inside and outside, handling fighters were more varied styles.

Toney tended to fall in love with his own talent for moving opponents around, making them miss while not doing enough to hurt them and get 'em out.

OTOH... Toney busted up opponents legitimately with punches while Holyfield did it with punches, head butts, elbows, forearms, shoulders, whatever he had handy.

El Bombasto · 08-14-2007, 10:26 AM

Toney has more wins in championship fights, and he KO'd holyfield.

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Jazzo Non-Facebook Fag East Side VIP Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 30,378 vCash: 1000	Re: Who has been the better overall fighter Toney or Holyfield? Are you taking weight into account? I am not sure how this works. Well, the answer, anyway, is Holyfield. He was the better fighter - the more successful fighter.
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FlatNose Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 3,494 vCash: 1000	Re: Who has been the better overall fighter Toney or Holyfield? Toney is an underachiever, Holyfield an overachiever.If Toney worked as hard as Holyfield, James would probably be a chisled light heavyweight . Toney is a more skilled boxer for sure, but Holyfields work ethic and will are his ingredients for success.Toneys success is in spite of his eating disorder.
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brooklyn1550 Roberto Duran East Side VIP Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Michigan Posts: 12,401 vCash: 1000	Re: Who has been the better overall fighter Toney or Holyfield? Evander Holyfield
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Shpion IDF ESB Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,455 vCash: 1000	Re: Who has been the better overall fighter Toney or Holyfield? Are we talking in terms of accomplishments or skills? In terms of accomplishments I have Holy way above Toney, where in terms of skills they are about even in my book, considering they were completely two different types of fighters.
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Illmatic Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 5,553 vCash: 1000	Re: Who has been the better overall fighter Toney or Holyfield? what the hell.... There are actually people picking Toney!??/ What? This isn't even close. Toney won titles in three divisions, while HOLYFIELD WON CHAMPIONSHIPS. Who's the greatest fighter Toney has beaten? Nunn? Jirov? Holyfield's resume is a who's who of the last 20 years. Qawi, De Leon, Douglas, Tyson, Bowe, Foreman, Pinklon Thomas, Michael Dokes, Larry Holmes, Ray Mercer...and there are people that think TONEY, one of the biggest wastes of talent in the last 20 years, has been the overall better fighter? Get the hell out of here...why the hell does Toney have so many fans
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Lex Journeyman ESB Jr Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 191 vCash: 1000	Re: Who has been the better overall fighter Toney or Holyfield? Toney at his best is fun to watch. But he's seldom at his best. Holyfield has the proven resume, being at his best not only during his prime, but rising to the challenge again and again as a heavyweight to rebound from defeats or underwhelming victories. Both were capable of throwing magnificent combinations, but Toney was mostly an inside fighter. Holyfield could fight inside and outside, handling fighters were more varied styles. Toney tended to fall in love with his own talent for moving opponents around, making them miss while not doing enough to hurt them and get 'em out. OTOH... Toney busted up opponents legitimately with punches while Holyfield did it with punches, head butts, elbows, forearms, shoulders, whatever he had handy.
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El Bombasto Ask yo momma ESB Addict Join Date: May 2006 Location: Miami Posts: 1,660 vCash: 1000	Re: Who has been the better overall fighter Toney or Holyfield? Toney has more wins in championship fights, and he KO'd holyfield.
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