Cotto better than Kessler??

sonny73 · 08-12-2007, 03:44 PM

For some reason Ring Magazine have Cotto higher on their P4P list than a Kessler someone who is a double world champ unbeaten in more fights and having beat a slightly higher opposition I feel.Is it just a case of the Puerto Rican voting contingent bigging up Cotto above his actual achievements or do neutral minded people actually feel he is more deserving of a position on the top ten list above Kessler?.Maybe the voters for the p4p list should be dissallowed to vote for countrymen or people they have a vested interest in.

CASH_718 · 08-12-2007, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by sonny73

For some reason Ring Magazine have Cotto higher on their P4P list than a Kessler someone who is a double world champ unbeaten in more fights and having beat a slightly higher opposition I feel.Is it just a case of the Puerto Rican voting contingent bigging up Cotto above his actual achievements or do neutral minded people actually feel he is more deserving of a position on the top ten list above Kessler?.Maybe the voters for the p4p list should be dissallowed to vote for countrymen or people they have a vested interest in.

Cotto is a two division champion with wins over fighters like DeMarcus Corley, Ricardo Torres, Zab Judah, Carlos Quintana, Oktay Urkal, Paulie Malinaggi, Carlos Maussa and Randel Baily.

Kessler has beatin Marcus Beyer.......... Librado Andrade and the GREAT Anthony Mundine.

Cotto's higher unless Kessler beats Calzaghe.

BigReg · 08-12-2007, 03:51 PM

Cotto is a bigger name with a big name promoter. He therefore gets preferential treatment. All his fights are on HBO and Showtime, so writers have more opportunities to watch him. There's alot of great fighters out there who the so called experts ignore. It's ridiculous. Look at Dan Rafael's p4p list. He has Margarito ahead of Kessler. There is no way that anyone who has seen these two fight should have Margarito ahead of Kessler. B-Hop, Winky, and Calzaghe were whoopin ass for years, but didn't get put on the p4p lists until they beat a big named fighter(even if that big named fighter was inferior to them skillwise).

BigReg · 08-12-2007, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by CASH_718

Cotto is a two division champion with wins over fighters like DeMarcus Corley, Ricardo Torres, Zab Judah, Carlos Quintana, Oktay Urkal, Paulie Malinaggi, Carlos Maussa and Randel Baily.

Kessler has beatin Marcus Beyer.......... Librado Andrade and the GREAT Anthony Mundine.

Cotto's higher unless Kessler beats Calzaghe.

Cotto is the flemsiest two division champ I have ever seen. He his 140 lb. title was a vacant title that he won by beating the immortal Kelson Pinto. His WW title was another vacant title that he wasn't even supposed to be fighting for. His promoter paid Urkal step aside money so that he could fight Quintana for another vacant title.

Asterion · 08-12-2007, 03:57 PM

Cotto has much better wins and has been successful in two different weight classes. Obviously he's better P4P than Kessler.

PR Boxing Lore · 08-12-2007, 04:02 PM

Well all the other top p4p lists I have seen have Cotto on top of him ,including magazines and personal reviews.

brooklyn1550 · 08-12-2007, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Asterion

Cotto has much better wins and has been successful in two different weight classes. Obviously he's better P4P than Kessler.

BigReg · 08-12-2007, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by tobkhan

Cotto is a bigger name in America only. In Europe it´s the other way round.

Ring Magazine is an American magazine

Tito Time · 08-12-2007, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Requiem4Swtscie

That is a mistake.

Kessler is better than Cotto as a fighter NO QUESTION!

I am favoring Calzaghe but I know Kessler is the real deal!

I don't mean to sound ignorant or anything, but every post I read you always have something negative to say about Cotto. Just noticed that... Although most of your posts are very knowledgable.

The Italarican · 08-12-2007, 04:15 PM

Kessler jumps ahead of Cotto with an noncontroversial win over Calzaghe. Until then, right now Ring has it right.

Beebs · 08-12-2007, 04:18 PM

Cotto has the much better resume, and is doing it now at his second weightclass, its a no brainer.

Terrible Terry · 08-12-2007, 04:23 PM

I love Kessler but Cotto has fought much better competiton and has already won on a big pay per view show. Kessler has not fought anyone yet. Cotto is eye catching to fans because he destroys people and Kessler is a great European style boxer which a lot of americans don't enjoy watching.

alex-boxer42 · 08-12-2007, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by sonny73

For some reason Ring Magazine have Cotto higher on their P4P list than a Kessler someone who is a double world champ unbeaten in more fights and having beat a slightly higher opposition I feel.Is it just a case of the Puerto Rican voting contingent bigging up Cotto above his actual achievements or do neutral minded people actually feel he is more deserving of a position on the top ten list above Kessler?.Maybe the voters for the p4p list should be dissallowed to vote for countrymen or people they have a vested interest in.

I have a couple of problems with your post. Kessler being a double cahmpion, trple quadruple doesnt mean anything because those are usless belts. The fighter skill and competiton level especially in the last five fights is what matters. Yes hes unbeaten in more fights, because hes fought more easy competition then Cotto. Kessler hasnt fought and beaten as many high level fighters as Cotto and definitly hasnt destroyed them like he has either. In my book if your destroying your(high level) competition, your pound 4 pound.

PH|LLA · 08-12-2007, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by BigReg

Cotto is a bigger name with a big name promoter. He therefore gets preferential treatment. All his fights are on HBO and Showtime, so writers have more opportunities to watch him. There's alot of great fighters out there who the so called experts ignore. It's ridiculous. Look at Dan Rafael's p4p list. He has Margarito ahead of Kessler. There is no way that anyone who has seen these two fight should have Margarito ahead of Kessler. B-Hop, Winky, and Calzaghe were whoopin ass for years, but didn't get put on the p4p lists until they beat a big named fighter(even if that big named fighter was inferior to them skillwise).

bingo

p4p list in america are a popularity contest, not a skill contest

China_hand_Joe · 08-12-2007, 06:15 PM

Cotto has a better resume, but only to American Media influenced eyes.

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