Lennox Lewis' longevity...not that much better than Tyson's! - Page 2

08-14-2007, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Drexl

How many fighters in the modern era of 3+ belts have been recognized as the Undisputed Champ for longer than Lennox?

You mention the 3 belts, but I suspet your "recognition" of "Undisputed" has nothing to do with holding the 3 belts, since Lewis gave them up almost immediately.

08-14-2007, 03:36 PM

Longevity is a little bit overrated anyway.
It's important but it shouldn't overshadow all concern with activity/inactivity.

Of course, Lewis and Tyson have fine records by any reckoning.

Jinx · 08-14-2007, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by nulty

Tyson starched an old Holmes who was coming out of retirement. Spinks showed up for the payday. Then we got drunks, drug addicts and never weres like Marvis Fraizer, Mitch Green, Pinklon Thomas etc.

Lewis beat ranked guys over a much longer period than Tyson.

Tyson beat:

Tony Tucker 35-0 and IBF champ

Pinklon Thomas 29-1 and former WBC champ

Trevor Berbick former WBC champ

James "Bonecrusher" Smith former WBA champ(KOed Witherspoon in 1)

Bruce Seldon former WBA champ

this list looks better than Briggs, Golota, Botha, Akinwande, etc...

Shotgun · 08-14-2007, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Jinx

Tyson beat:

Tony Tucker 35-0 and IBF champ

Pinklon Thomas 29-1 and former WBC champ

Trevor Berbick former WBC champ

James "Bonecrusher" Smith former WBA champ(KOed Witherspoon in 1)

Bruce Seldon former WBA champ

this list looks better than Briggs, Golota, Botha, Akinwande, etc...

Holy shit, this is the first time I've EVER seen someone list Bruce Seldon in as a resume booster

08-14-2007, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Shotgun

Holy shit, this is the first time I've EVER seen someone list Bruce Seldon in as a resume booster

Yeah, Bruce Seldon must've been a Freudian slip, (or should that be "dive"

)

Stewbear · 08-14-2007, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Jinx

Tyson beat:

Tony Tucker 35-0 and IBF champ

Pinklon Thomas 29-1 and former WBC champ

Trevor Berbick former WBC champ

James "Bonecrusher" Smith former WBA champ(KOed Witherspoon in 1)

Bruce Seldon former WBA champ

this list looks better than Briggs, Golota, Botha, Akinwande, etc...

Lol this is a classic post

nulty · 08-14-2007, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Jinx

Tyson beat:

Tony Tucker 35-0 and IBF champ

Pinklon Thomas 29-1 and former WBC champ (heroin addict)

Trevor Berbick former WBC champ (old, nutcase)

James "Bonecrusher" Smith former WBA champ(KOed Witherspoon in 1)

Bruce Seldon former WBA champ (please)

this list looks better than Briggs, Golota, Botha, Akinwande, etc...

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Jinx · 08-14-2007, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Shotgun

Lewis defeated Ruddock in 1992 which marked his arrival as a top level heavyweight. This was a part of a heavyweight championship tournament that was spoiled by Bowe ducking him. He won the WBC title that Reluctant Riddick vacated to avoid fighting him in 1993.

From that point on Lennox Lewis competed consistently at or near the top of the heavyweight division until winning his last fight as undisuputed champ in 2003 and retiring

Lewis had 44 pro fights. From 1993-2003 he fought 22 times. 18 of those fights were for major world titles. He went 15-2-1 in those title fights. That's over 10 consecutive years of consistently competing in the upper echelon of the division. So much for your argument

now this is a much better effort than your first try, i give you props...

Lewis 21-0 when he fought Ruddock, no way that's an arrival of a reign...

if you wanna play that way tho, i can say Tyson arrived on the scene when he beat Trevor Berbick for the WBC title in 1986...he actually fought for that title, no one vacated it to him like a birthday gift...after Berbick, from 1986-1996 Tyson fought 20 times...15 of those fights were for major world titles...he went 13-2-0 in those title fights...that's 10 consecutive years in which Tyson competed in the upper echelon of the division, with jail time included...

please play again Shotgun, this is fun...

Vanboxingfan · 08-14-2007, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Shotgun

Boring

Lewis competed at the upper level of the heavyweight division much longer and more consistently than Tyson did. Anyone that disputes that is either deluded or ignorant

I prefer the word stupid

Vanboxingfan · 08-14-2007, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Jinx

Tyson beat:

Tony Tucker 35-0 and IBF champ

Pinklon Thomas 29-1 and former WBC champ

Trevor Berbick former WBC champ

James "Bonecrusher" Smith former WBA champ(KOed Witherspoon in 1)

Bruce Seldon former WBA champ

this list looks better than Briggs, Golota, Botha, Akinwande, etc...

Bruce Seldon???????????? Bruce Seldon????

My god..you settled the whole issue with one post..AGAINST TYSON..even he probably won't admit he fought Seldon. hahahahahaha

tryggve · 08-14-2007, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Jinx

Tyson beat:

Tony Tucker 35-0 and IBF champ

Pinklon Thomas 29-1 and former WBC champ

Trevor Berbick former WBC champ

James "Bonecrusher" Smith former WBA champ(KOed Witherspoon in 1)

Bruce Seldon former WBA champ

this list looks better than Briggs, Golota, Botha, Akinwande, etc...

Common link with those fighters is Don KIng same promotor as Tyson they got payed well and didnt show much in the fights.

Dempsey1238 · 08-14-2007, 04:10 PM

Tyson TRULY unify the title with Spinks. Spinks beat Holmes who was the man ete. So in order for Tyson to be the REAL champ. He had to beat Spinks. Lineal has to play some role in unify the title. Other wise you get cases like Shannon Briggs and Foreman.

Jinx · 08-14-2007, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Vanboxingfan

Bruce Seldon???????????? Bruce Seldon????

My god..you settled the whole issue with one post..AGAINST TYSON..even he probably won't admit he fought Seldon. hahahahahaha

but Briggs is just as laughable as Bruce Seldon...Foreman whipped his ass in his grillin days!

Shotgun · 08-14-2007, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Jinx

now this is a much better effort than your first try, i give you props...

Lewis 21-0 when he fought Ruddock, no way that's an arrival of a reign...

if you wanna play that way tho, i can say Tyson arrived on the scene when he beat Trevor Berbick for the WBC title in 1986...he actually fought for that title, no one vacated it to him like a birthday gift...after Berbick, from 1986-1996 Tyson fought 20 times...15 of those fights were for major world titles...he went 13-2-0 in those title fights...that's 10 consecutive years in which Tyson competed in the upper echelon of the division, with jail time included...

please play again Shotgun, this is fun...

This is either an attempt at trolling or a declaration of mental retardation. But either way, Tyson had a near six year gap between title fights in that timeframe.

I guess it's a saving grace for Tyson fans though. It allowed the myth of Tyson to be perpetuated the whole time he was away. If he hadn't been locked up he would've been disposed and had the Tyson myth shattered by Holyfield in 1991 instead of 1996

Drexl · 08-14-2007, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Sonny's jab

You mention the 3 belts, but I suspet your "recognition" of "Undisputed" has nothing to do with holding the 3 belts, since Lewis gave them up almost immediately.

Wrong.

He had to unify those belts to be recognized at the undisputed champ. The fact that Don King's politricks took them away from him without a punch being thrown did nothing to his ranking as the recognized Undisputed Champ.

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Dempsey1238 Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 6,352 vCash: 1000	Re: Lennox Lewis' longevity...not that much better than Tyson's! Tyson TRULY unify the title with Spinks. Spinks beat Holmes who was the man ete. So in order for Tyson to be the REAL champ. He had to beat Spinks. Lineal has to play some role in unify the title. Other wise you get cases like Shannon Briggs and Foreman.
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