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Old 08-14-2007, 09:57 PM   #1
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Default Holmes/Nielsen...

Was this a decision on the level of Whitaker/Chavez, or what?

Never seen it myself.
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Old 08-14-2007, 10:05 PM   #2
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Larry pretty much did to Neilson what he did to to Mercer, just not as decisive. It was for the IBO belt, and it was over in Denmark which explains the decision. It is arguably the 3rd time Larry deserved the decision but didn't get it.
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Old 08-14-2007, 10:08 PM   #3
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Default Re: Holmes/Nielsen...

Other times would be the second Spinks fight... The Nielsen fight...

And... what, the first Spinks fight?
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Old 08-14-2007, 10:15 PM   #4
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Other times would be the second Spinks fight... The Nielsen fight...

And... what, the first Spinks fight?
Yep.
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Old 08-14-2007, 10:16 PM   #5
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Default Re: Holmes/Nielsen...

How bad do you think the second Spinks decision was? What's it compare to?

How close was the first fight?
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Old 08-14-2007, 10:18 PM   #6
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How bad do you think the second Spinks decision was? What's it compare to?

How close was the first fight?
Their 2nd fight would be like giving Mercer the decision over Holmes, just not quite that bad. The first one was close, but IMO Larry should have gotten it. Spinks didn't truly "beat" Larry.
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Old 08-14-2007, 10:21 PM   #7
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Larry pretty much did to Neilson what he did to to Mercer, just not as decisive. It was for the IBO belt, and it was over in Denmark which explains the decision. It is arguably the 3rd time Larry deserved the decision but didn't get it.
I don't necessarily think that Holmes was robbed in his first meeting with Spinks. In fact, I have to give it to Michael in all fairness. The second fight is an entirely different story though. Terrible judging. As for the Neilson fight, I never actually saw it, but apparently there are quite a few people who feel that Neilson was given a gift.
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Old 08-15-2007, 01:39 AM   #8
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Nielsen v Holmes decision? No big deal. Danish judge scored it 115-113 Nielsen. American judsge Pete Podgorski gave it to Nielsen 116-113. When I first saw the fight I had Brian winning, later I scored the fight for Holmes by one point. Close?- Yes. Debatable? - Yes. Bad decision? - No, I have seen much worse.

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Old 08-15-2007, 02:25 AM   #9
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Haven't seen Holmes-Nielsen, but to pipe in on the sub-discussion that's cropped up, the decision in the first Holmes-Spinks fight wasn't particularly controversial. Close, but most agreed with it.
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Old 08-15-2007, 04:15 AM   #10
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Spinks beat him Holmes and square in their first fight. Holmes won the rematch decisively, though rediculously didn't get the verdict. I scored had Larry winning that fight against Nielson, definitely by a couple of points.
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Old 08-15-2007, 05:59 AM   #11
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That's weird, I was just talking about this yesterday to a friend that's seen the fight (I never have).

I'd heard conflicting reports, some saying Holmes deserved it and others saying Nielsen.

My friend felt that Holmes should've definitely got the nod.
But he pointed out that Holmes should've lost to Mo Harris and had a tight one against Quinn Naverre that year too, so swings and roundabouts I guess...Holmes had his fair share of tight decision in favour as well as against.

I've always felt the same way about Holmes vs Spinks.
First fight was close but I always felt Spinks deserved the nod. Second fight, no way.
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Old 08-15-2007, 06:29 AM   #12
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Brian took it easy the last couple of rounds, had he kept pressuring Holmes there would be no discussion....
However he won fair and square.
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Old 08-15-2007, 06:40 AM   #13
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Nielsen v Holmes decision? No big deal. Danish judge scored it 115-113 Nielsen. American judsge Pete Podgorski gave it to Nielsen 116-113. When I first saw the fight I had Brian winning, later I scored the fight for Holmes by one point. Close?- Yes. Debatable? - Yes. Bad decision? - No, I have seen much worse.

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Holmes won the fight. The fight itself was not memorable, but the controversial decision was. Holmes won it. 7 rounds to 5 the best score. The thing note here is Neilsen was an undefeated heavyweight fighting in his home country of Denmark. If this fight took place on a neutral setting, Holmes wins the decision.

Neilsen was a fair fighter. Fans might remember he tied Rocky Marciano’s undefeated 49-0 record, then lost his next fight to Dicky Ryan in the final round. I have not seen that fight, but I was told Neilsen was all but finished had to be pushed back out there for the final round.

In boxing aging champions often get a decision or two they shouldn’t. One thing that hardly happens is when an x champion wins the fight, only to be robbed by the judges. Holmes got the shaft in the second Spinks fight, and the Neilsen fight.
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Old 08-15-2007, 07:10 AM   #14
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He got shafted against spinks, but in the nielsen fight! NO...
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Old 08-15-2007, 07:23 AM   #15
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Neilsen was a fair fighter. Fans might remember he tied Rocky Marciano’s undefeated 49-0 record, then lost his next fight to Dicky Ryan in the final round. I have not seen that fight, but I was told Neilsen was all but finished had to be pushed back out there for the final round.
I thought Nielsen was 48-0 going into that fight, looking to tie Marciano's record?

Nielsen was beating Ryan pretty easily but lost to fight due to becoming massively dehydrated. He got worse as the fight went on until finally had to retire for the loss.

I believe it was Pepe Correa in Nielsen's corner for that fight. Another balls-up for his record.
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