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Old 08-12-2007, 04:15 PM   #1
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Default BJ Penn kicking it with Kid Yamamoto

A video of them just hanging out, jumping off that bridge you always see BJ jumping off of. How ****ing awsome is BJ's life, I mean really.

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Old 08-12-2007, 05:36 PM   #2
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Old 08-13-2007, 12:37 PM   #3
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BJ is such a geezer. He is just jamming, having fun yet he is arguably the best P4P MMA in the world.
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BJ is such a geezer. He is just jamming, having fun yet he is arguably the best P4P MMA in the world.
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Arguably - YES!
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Old 08-13-2007, 02:43 PM   #6
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Arguably - YES!
There is definitely a case to be made for him. He literally has no real weakness. He is primarily a ground fighter, given his BJJ background yet he rarely if ever gets outclassed standing up. He was outstriking GSP, and making Hughes look silly on the ground. I know this statement is waaaay overused in boxing and MMA, but it is true of Penn-----If he is truly motivated and really trains and gets into great shape, he could possibly be as "unbeatable" as you can get in this sport.
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Old 08-13-2007, 02:52 PM   #7
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There is definitely a case to be made for him. He literally has no real weakness.
Since when has a propensity to come in looking like a tub of shit and gassing out after the first round not been a weakness? BJ is great, but he lost 2 of his last 3 fights, and has one win at his new weight class against a guy who just got knocked out by a 20 year old kid who hadn't even made the TUF cast yet. We have no reason to laud his p4p greatness until he proves it in the cage against a top 10 opponent which he hasn't done in years.
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Old 08-13-2007, 03:37 PM   #8
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There is definitely a case to be made for him. He literally has no real weakness. He is primarily a ground fighter, given his BJJ background yet he rarely if ever gets outclassed standing up. He was outstriking GSP, and making Hughes look silly on the ground. I know this statement is waaaay overused in boxing and MMA, but it is true of Penn-----If he is truly motivated and really trains and gets into great shape, he could possibly be as "unbeatable" as you can get in this sport.
I agree, when Penn is on fire he burns the house down. Plus you know you've seen him pull off the virtuoso shit like Floyd and Jones in boxing.

When he slithered onto Hughes back, everyone should be in awe.

His dexterity is ridiculous.
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Skill-wise, yes he is arguably the most talented in MMA, but being talented doesn't equate to being the best fighter in every case, BJ's case being one of them.
You say he is talented, you say he is skilled, he is definitely smart. Hes a top dog at lightweight and welterweight.

What's left?
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You say he is talented, you say he is skilled, he is definitely smart. Hes a top dog at lightweight and welterweight.

What's left?
How about beating a ranked opponent in the past 3 years. According to what you say, BJ never has to fight again and we can just all sit around and circle jerk to his "MAD SKILLZ" while he becomes the new Rickson.
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Old 08-13-2007, 04:22 PM   #11
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Skill-wise, yes he is arguably the most talented in MMA, but being talented doesn't equate to being the best fighter in every case, BJ's case being one of them.
Thats what I was getting at. Skills and Potential.
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Talent and potential is not what's measure when considering best p4p. BJ Penn can't make a strong case.
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Don't get me wrong, I love BJ, one of my top 5 favorite MMA fighters. But I am a firm believer of backing shit up in the ring as your number one priority as a fighter. And that's what BJ has lacked. He appears to have turned a corner in attitude as of late, but until he steps into the ring against a top guy we don't know that. But the motivated, trained BJ Penn that raped Gomi is the best LW in the world, he just needs to live up to that potential.
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BJ needs to stay at 155lb IMO. If he stays there he's likely to be in better shape than at 170lb and if BJ is in shape and focused then he has a shout for No 1 P4P. Only a shout though.

But he isn't gonna stay at 155 is he? He's moving up to 170lb which he's doing for some reasons but it has to be said there is also a degree of laziness on his part too.
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Old 08-14-2007, 09:22 AM   #15
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Motivation, being in shape, not gassing after a round or two in fights you're winning. Winning more than 2 out of your last 5 fights, one of them to a has been.

He has all the talent in the world, but not the motivation, hence his shitty cardio and his tendancy to gas, leading to losses. Sorry, that's not the stuff of the best in the world. Fedor has similar talent but a lot more motivation and determination. BJ has no case over Fedor or even a few others. I don't rank him in the top 10.
The fact he isn't motivated, in shape and gasses YET achieves what he does is simply a reflection of what he is as a fighter.

Some of the top P4P boxers have recent losses but rank high.

Many fighters lack motivation, doesn't mean they aren't great or top P4P.

BJs performances agaisnt Hughes and GSP gives him all the case in the world.

He straight raped and bamboozled Hughes in the first fight.
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