Did Marcanio duck Patterson?

Look at yourself how stupid you are, you critizice Marciano for facing only old, washed up LHW´s, but now you brag with Patterson´s win over an even older Moore... woah, how logical!

If you can't see the logic then you're more idiotic than I thought. Patterson beat an old Moore in 5 rounds,Marciano beat an old Moore in 9 rounds. Any questions?

btw, speed isn´t everything in boxing, otherwise the example (Patterson) we´re speaking about right now would have been almost unbeatable...

But it's very useful.

[Luigi1985]

Originally Posted by Sweet Science

If the fight did take place.
Marciano would have most probably got to Patterson in the late rounds and knocked him out. Only after being thoroughly outclassed for the majority of the fight.

However, Luigi I do think you are very biased toward Marciano.
It's ok for you to bring up the race card and say "you dont like Marciano because he was a white Italian" etc. But when someone accuses you of being biased for Rocky due to your Italian heritage you don't like it. That's a good example of the pot calling the kettle black.

You would be right, but not in this case, you don´t know perhaps the background story...


KTFO is a poster who wrote so much shit, and strangely enough almost about white fighters that it is a bit conspicuous, you know what I mean? In a thread some days ago, I read things like "Even Tye Fields would KO this bum in one round..." I would like to know for example if you ever read such a ridiculous post from me, or if I ever was very biased negative for a fighter...

[Luigi1985]

Originally Posted by KTFO

If you can't see the logic then you're more idiotic than I thought. Patterson beat an old Moore in 5 rounds,Marciano beat an old Moore in 9 rounds. Any questions?

Ali beat Wepner in 15 rounds, Bugner in 3. You know that Bugner is the better fighter...



How logical...

[fists of fury]

Floyd would be a straw hut in the path of Hurricane Rocky...

[Sweet Science]

Originally Posted by Luigi1985

You would be right, but not in this case, you don´t know perhaps the background story...


KTFO is a poster who wrote so much shit, and strangely enough almost about white fighters that it is a bit conspicuous, you know what I mean? In a thread some days ago, I read things like "Even Tye Fields would KO this bum in one round..." I would like to know for example if you ever read such a ridiculous post from me, or if I ever was very biased negative for a fighter...

Well obviously, I havn't been a member here for long and you have more experience than me, in terms of who has said what in the past.

I do understand your point of view. I have a healthy respect for Marciano and agree he is often underrated and sometimes in an unfair manner.

[Luigi1985]

Originally Posted by Sweet Science

Well obviously, I havn't been a member here for long and you have more experience than me, in terms of who has said what in the past.

I do understand your point of view. I have a healthy respect for Marciano and agree he is often underrated and sometimes in an unfair manner.

Yeah, you know, it´s not so that if you would for example Patterson favour in a fantasy matchup that I would respond with a sentence like "Hell no, my boy Marciano would kill him...", but if you come with illogical shit like KTFO ( Patterson KO´d Moore in 5 rounds, Marciano only in 9, Marciano was tailor-made for Floyd, Marciano doesn´t deserve respect, etc.) than it´s normal that my answers are also a bit harsh...

everyone has an own opinion, which I normally respect, but in KTFO´s case it´s crystal-clear, only that you know it...

[fists of fury]

Actually, most ringside reporters said the best, most complete version of Marciano they ever saw was against Archie Moore.

[Luigi1985]

Originally Posted by tobkhan

Why does anyone bother with KTFO? He´s just a troll.

I don´t think Marciano ducked Patterson. Patterson was still to green to hang in there with Marciano, even while Marciano started to slip a bit.

Agreed. Btw, woher kommst du genau?

[Sweet Science]

Originally Posted by Luigi1985

Yeah, you know, it´s not so that if you would for example Patterson favour in a fantasy matchup that I would respond with a sentence like "Hell no, my boy Marciano would kill him...", but if you come with illogical shit like KTFO ( Patterson KO´d Moore in 5 rounds, Marciano only in 9, Marciano was tailor-made for Floyd, Marciano doesn´t deserve respect, etc.) than it´s normal that my answers are also a bit harsh...

everyone has an own opinion, which I normally respect, but in KTFO´s case it´s crystal-clear, only that you know it...

Fair enough Luigi. Point taken.

[Luigi1985]

Originally Posted by Sweet Science

Fair enough Luigi. Point taken.

[Luigi1985]

Originally Posted by tobkhan

Charlottenburg. Ursprünglich aber aus nem Ort in der Nähe vom Chiemsee.

Cool, wohne jetzt in München...

[Luigi1985]

Originally Posted by tobkhan

Da bin ich immer noch so 2-3 mal im Jahr, Familie und Freunde besuchen.

Wie alt bist denn? Wennst nächstes Mal kommst, sagst Bescheid, dann treff ich mich mal mit nem Boxexperten von ESB, geh ma was saufen oder so, hab ich bislang noch nie...

[jowcol]

Originally Posted by apollack

Rocky would have KO'd Patterson. Floyd would have hit him a lot no doubt, but when Rocky finally hit that jaw it would be good night.

When Floyd got hit with bombs (Liston, Ingo, etc...) it was NEVER "good night".
The bottom line is the Rock is an ATG but an early 57 matchup with Floyd would have to look at the very least interesting. And that Rademacher KD that everyone goes on about didn't even hurt Patterson. Pete was a big guy, 5 or 6 years older than Patterson and Floyd rose immediately and kicked his butt kicked plain and simple.
The Rock may well have gotten thru to a rather green Floyd at that time and stopped him (or decisioned him) with 2 or 3 knockdowns in the latter rounds but I could never envision this fight being as one-sided as so many are saying. And, by the way, I've never seen ANY 185 pound fighter turn Patterson to jelly. Could Floyd have cut up the aging Rock?
IMHO just a more interesting matchup than many seem to be suggesting.
My $0.02

P.S. of course you all know me as the resident Patterson nut-hugger...

[Luigi1985]

Originally Posted by jowcol

When Floyd got hit with bombs (Liston, Ingo, etc...) it was NEVER "good night".
The bottom line is the Rock is an ATG but an early 57 matchup with Floyd would have to look at the very least interesting. And that Rademacher KD that everyone goes on about didn't even hurt Patterson. Pete was a big guy, 5 or 6 years older than Patterson and Floyd rose immediately and kicked his butt kicked plain and simple.
The Rock may well have gotten thru to a rather green Floyd at that time and stopped him (or decisioned him) with 2 or 3 knockdowns in the latter rounds but I could never envision this fight being as one-sided as so many are saying. And, by the way, I've never seen ANY 185 pound fighter turn Patterson to jelly. Could Floyd have cut up the aging Rock?
IMHO just a more interesting matchup than many seem to be suggesting.
My $0.02

P.S. of course you all know me as the resident Patterson nut-hugger...

Good post, but it seems to be that you put also too much on the weight. "No 185 lbs. put him ...", as if the 206 lbs. Liston was that much more...

[Icemmann]

Originally Posted by KTFO

If you can't see the logic then you're more idiotic than I thought. Patterson beat an old Moore in 5 rounds,Marciano beat an old Moore in 9 rounds. Any questions?

And 40 years later Ali fought a 75 year old Moore for 6 rounds. Shit, that means Patterson would have dominated Ali, "The Greatest" was a joke.

Oh wait.

But it's very useful.

Anybody seen where my pills are?