Did Marcanio duck Patterson?

[ron u.k.]

Originally Posted by Luigi1985

What has Italianess to do with that? Is boying now a teamsport? Btw, I read never comments of you, only when you "attack" me with some brilliant parols about Italians and so on, what have we done to you, has your wife left you because of an Italian or what?

no such luck! calm down you are the one spouting race and being uptight.actually i like you as a poster even though at times you talk rubbish.

[Luigi1985]

Originally Posted by ron u.k.

no such luck! calm down you are the one spouting race and being uptight.actually i like you as a poster even though at times you talk rubbish.

But excuse me, I never read something from you here at the Classic Section, only when you attack me indirectly and say how stupid I´m. That´s why I respond a bit harsh to you, don´t take it personal, it´s a boxing forum...


well, because of the race, some posters, like KTFO in this case, make it to obviously, you know what I mean...

[Bill1234]

God...KTFO is an idiot. He knows nothing pre 2000. Marciano was an aging fighter when he fought Moore. Moore had great heart. He told the ref not to stop because he wanted to go down like a champion. And he did. Marciano didn't duck Patterson even the slightest bit. I saw some footage on a documentary on Marciano, of when Marciano retired. He said "My wife made me announce that I am retiring before May of this year..." That was on April 27th, 1956. Marciano in the Moore and Cockell fights, was much slower, and didn't have the work rate he once had. Charlie Goldman also changed his style a little bit. He knew that if he changed Marciano style a little, that Marciano wouldn't hit as hard, but he would be more awkward to hit. Also, about Marciano fighting hand picked oppenents, in the begining of his career he was fighting guys that were supposed to beat him. The promoter even admitted it. Marciano fought everyone, and he knocked them out.

"The Greatest" was a joke.

Finally you got it!


And please, all those Marciano-nuthuggers who suffer from brain-damage because of drug-abuse........Fuck off!!

[Bill1234]

Originally Posted by KTFO

Finally you got it!


And please, all those Marciano-nuthuggers who suffer from brain-damage because of drug-abuse........Fuck off!!

LMAO. You know your in the complete minority here right? Your saying all but 2 are Marciano nut huggers just because we provide solid evidence and facts that Marciano didn't duck Patterson. You provide idiotic responces and posts that support your pointless and wrong idea.

[ron u.k.]

Originally Posted by Luigi1985

But excuse me, I never read something from you here at the Classic Section, only when you attack me indirectly and say how stupid I´m. That´s why I respond a bit harsh to you, don´t take it personal, it´s a boxing forum...


well, because of the race, some posters, like KTFO in this case, make it to obviously, you know what I mean...

i can't recall ever attacking you and inferring that your stupid,i've only hinted that i think your bias towards italian fighters. fair enough i suppose i've done it in a mischevious way,just a bit of fun that's all.also i post quite often and give opinions on many fighters in the classic section,you don't think i just come in here to wind you up do ya?now that is bordering on the paranoid.

LMAO. You know your in the complete minority here right? Your saying all but 2 are Marciano nut huggers just because we provide solid evidence and facts that Marciano didn't duck Patterson. You provide idiotic responces and posts that support your pointless and wrong idea.

You don't provide solid evidence and facts. You stick to a 49-0 record that stiffens your little Willie apparantly.

Wie alt bist denn? Wennst nächstes Mal kommst, sagst Bescheid, dann treff ich mich mal mit nem Boxexperten von ESB, geh ma was saufen oder so, hab ich bislang noch nie...

Shut up,Kraut.

[joe33]

Originally Posted by KTFO

You don't provide solid evidence and facts. You stick to a 49-0 record that stiffens your little Willie apparantly.

Pretty good evidence then aint it,no one else has come close to that before,he would have strached patterson in 5 no fucking problem.
Any way just another hater of the rock who cant seem to see past him being a small funny looking WHITE MAN haha,dont worry mate,you can sleep well at night,hes dead now,tell your self that and all the pain of his wonderful record may just go away for you.

[C. M. Clay II]

He probably didn't. If they fought in 56, I think it would be a pickem. Marciano was slightly past it, and Patterson's KO of Moore was impressive. However, prime Marciano I think KO's Patterson in 13 rounds.

[Luigi1985]

Originally Posted by KTFO

Shut up,Kraut.

I´m Italian, but I speak also German, you racist dumbass...

[Marciano Frazier]

Originally Posted by Russell

Or avoid him in some way?

Floyd was coming on towards the end of Rocky's reign as champ... Did he retire with a potential reservation in facing Patterson?

Just wasn't worth the risk at that point in his career?

I'm going to make this brief: No.

[Marciano Frazier]

Originally Posted by fists of fury

No.

As Dempsey1238 has stated, Floyd was not even a ranked contender when Marciano retired.
Incidentally, Rocky was offered 1.4 million to come out of retirement to fight Johansson, and for a while Rocky liked the idea.
He started losing weight and got back into the gym like the old days. He kept this up for about a month or so before calling it off. There are two versions of the story as to why he did so.

One is that Rocky's various business interests got in the way, and his interest in the fight petered out.
The other version, and probably the most realistic one, was that Marciano realised he simply didn't have it anymore and gave up the idea.

Even Marciano's retirement is shrouded in some mystery. Some say he retired because the daily grind of training was starting to get to him. He began to dislike the smell of the gym, and he stopped taking his walks in the evening as he always used to do without fail.
Charlie Goldman said to him one day "Rock, you're looking bloated lately." to which Marciano replied "I am Charlie, and I'm not walking anymore either." According to Goldman, he knew then and there that Marciano's desire had started to leave him.

Another story is that Rocky had been considering retirement for a while, and had discussions about it with his wife and family. Immediately after his fight with Moore, Rocky announced that he would fight on. However, he went on vacation to South America with his wife, and on returning changed his mind.

Lastly, some say that he retired in order to get out of the clutches of Al Weill, his domineering manager. Rocky had developed a burning resentment against Weill for being an obsessive control freak (Weill once even ordered Rocky to buy him a packet of cigars in front of a reporter) and for skimming some extra off the top of Marciano's purses.

Whichever version is correct, Marciano didn't retire to avoid Floyd Patterson.

More or less all of those are true. There wasn't some one ultimate reason for him to retire, but lots of small factors contributing to it. One that you didn't mention was that, according to Everett M. Skehan's account, Marciano was having serious back problems at the time leading up to his retirement.

[Executioner]

Originally Posted by C. M. Clay II

He probably didn't. If they fought in 56, I think it would be a pickem. Marciano was slightly past it, and Patterson's KO of Moore was impressive. However, prime Marciano I think KO's Patterson in 13 rounds.

13??? Surely a prime Rock would crack that chin sooner.

[Minotauro]

I don't believe that he did duck Floyd he was not a real contender at the time he just came good later. I've read that the plan was always for Floyd to fight at 175lbs and then eventually move up its just that when Marciano retired there was an opportunity and he took it remember Patterson won the Olympic gold at 160lbs.

Not to hijack the thread or anything but I always wondered if Joe Louis ducked Elmer Ray he as some solid win during Joe's title reign yet never got a title shot but people like Galento did.