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Old 08-17-2007, 01:11 PM   #76
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You don't provide solid evidence and facts. You stick to a 49-0 record that stiffens your little Willie apparantly.
Your the first one to mention that this whole time. I guess it just pisses you off that a white guy holds the undefeated record, and beat some great black fighters.
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Old 08-17-2007, 01:13 PM   #77
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Old 08-17-2007, 01:38 PM   #78
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Old 08-17-2007, 01:41 PM   #79
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13??? Surely a prime Rock would crack that chin sooner.
Rocky couldn't crack Ezzard Charles' chin in 15, so it's not that hard to believe Patterson could last at least 13.
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Old 08-17-2007, 02:44 PM   #80
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Rocky couldn't crack Ezzard Charles' chin in 15, so it's not that hard to believe Patterson could last at least 13.
He cracked it real good in 8 in the rematch though. Charles had a solid chin too.
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Old 08-17-2007, 02:54 PM   #82
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Marciano deserves more respect than he gets. Did he duck Patterson - No. If they had fought he would have KOed Patterson early, I've said it before and I'll say it again - Patterson's chin was up there with Herbie Hide & Bruce Seldon.
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Old 08-17-2007, 03:07 PM   #83
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Yeah he got knocked down 16 times - at least. That is a disaster, only Liston was a great puncher the others were not - he was so protected. Herbie used to get up i.e against bowe but had a useless chin. Lets face it against today's big heavys patterson would have been dropped by a grazing blow.
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Old 08-17-2007, 03:08 PM   #84
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Also he got up - good for him he had heart. But not a chin. I seriously can't think of many worse can you?
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Old 08-17-2007, 03:41 PM   #85
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Being knocked down means something especially when you are down at least 16 times - it means you've got no chin.
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Old 08-17-2007, 03:47 PM   #86
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Patterson had no iron chin, and had they fought in 56, It was have been a brawl before Marciano found the mark and ended it in round 5 or 6. Patterson at the time was still slugging it out. And NO one slugs with Marciano at his own game. This wont be like Marciano Ali ete. But more like a Dempsey Firpo type of affair with Patterson comeing up short.
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Patterson had no iron chin, and had they fought in 56, It was have been a brawl before Marciano found the mark and ended it in round 5 or 6. Patterson at the time was still slugging it out. And NO one slugs with Marciano at his own game. This wont be like Marciano Ali ete. But more like a Dempsey Firpo type of affair with Patterson comeing up short.
I disagree about this fight turning into a brawl. Patterson was extremely skilled and could box. He would completley outclass Marciano while it lasted. Then as you say Patterson would get caught and go down.
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More or less all of those are true. There wasn't some one ultimate reason for him to retire, but lots of small factors contributing to it. One that you didn't mention was that, according to Everett M. Skehan's account, Marciano was having serious back problems at the time leading up to his retirement.
As you've also read Skehan's biography, there's no need for me to bother rehashing it here. One of the books in my library is the one Marciano and Goldman published on boxing and bodybuilding 50 years ago. If you also have that one, then you already know what Charley Goldman wrote in, PART FOUR: Champion against Champion, Chapter 20-How We Would Whip Floyd Patterson. Although a fancifully imaginative account of how it would go, narrated primarily for entertainment purposes, it is revealing, insofar as Goldman understands Rocky's strengths and weaknesses as compared to Floyd's. He also reminds his readers that he went on record as accurately predicting Patterson would defeat Moore for the vacated title.

If Rocky had decided to continue fighting, then Patterson would have been challenging Moore for his LHW championship.

In 1955 and 1956, the heavyweight division was deader than an elephant graveyard. Archie Moore was that era's master of self-promotion among the top challengers, and there really wasn't anywhere else Rocky could have gone with the title at that point. Norris and the IBC had brought the sport to it's lowest point (until Griffith/Paret III, which brought boxing to a new low, only to be surpassed by the current moribund subterrean sinkhole produced by the 12 round era).

In Johansson, Patterson only had to deal with a lethal right. With Rocky, he'd have to contend with the hook as well. With Marciano's power, if Floyd had been able to get back up, he would have been getting bounced worse than he did when Ingo dethroned him. Patterson would have probably been scared silly to face him. It would have been a preview of Liston.
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Old 08-17-2007, 03:53 PM   #89
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If you watch his fights in the 50's, you might get other view, He brawl with Moore, he brawl with Maxie, and he got clock cold brawling with Ingo. In the rematch it was other brawl. It was not until the mid 60's did he change his style.
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If you watch his fights in the 50's, you might get other view, He brawl with Moore, he brawl with Maxie, and he got clock cold brawling with Ingo. In the rematch it was other brawl. It was not until the mid 60's did he change his style.
Patterson came accross as fairly intelligent, I think he'd be too smart to attempt brawling against a powerhouse like Marciano. He would use his strengths which would be his superior skills and speed.
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