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Old 06-22-2007, 05:12 PM   #1
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Old 06-22-2007, 05:17 PM   #2
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Archie is too cagy. ud.
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Old 06-22-2007, 05:22 PM   #3
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One thing that the old mongoose could do was decision big punchers. Chances are that he would take a UD.
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Old 06-22-2007, 07:27 PM   #4
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Moore by UD.
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Old 06-22-2007, 07:46 PM   #5
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I respect the two previous predictions but disagree completely. I don't see any way Moore could hang in there for long with Lyle. If Lyle had fought in a different era we just might be calling him another Sonny Liston. He gave Ali and Foreman very tough fights. He was a frighteningly powerful man and had underrated boxing skills.
I think you're overrating Lyle here. He was soundly beaten by both Quarry and Young. He was really only ahead before being stopped against Ali because Ali had gone Rope-a-Dope happy and fooled around for large stretches trying to use the Rope-a-Dope when it obviously wasn't going to work, and Lyle was aware of it in advance.
Lyle was a dangerous hitter, no question, but I don't think he was really on a top-flight level in that respect; his knockout average wasn't particularly impressive at just over 60%, and in all his major fights, the only time he ever actually stopped anyone was when he narrowly escaped being knocked out himself to take out the shaky-chinned Shavers.

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If Patterson could take Moore out in five rounds then Lyle could get him out of there sooner.

Lyle KO 4 Moore
This is faulty logic. Patterson and Lyle had widely contrasting styles. One might also say, had the fight not actually happened, that if Patterson could take out Moore in five rounds, Marciano would take him out sooner. Patterson was a blazing fast swarmer who could pick holes in Moore's defense and overwhelm him with barrages. Lyle couldn't do the same thing, being, by comparison, a ponderous fighter. The strongest analogy between Lyle and any of Moore's opponents, in fact, is with Valdes, who Moore soundly defeated twice.
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Old 06-22-2007, 10:38 PM   #6
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I think Lyle would eventually catch him upside the head.

Lyle by ko.
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Old 06-22-2007, 11:28 PM   #7
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In an earlier post I confused you with someone named - Prime Frazier DID beat Pr. I am really sorry. You are a gentleman and a nice guy. I guess I got confused because this guy has "Frazier" in his profile. Please accept my apologies.
It's fine. I didn't actually notice you saying anything I found insulting or offensive, anyway.
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Old 06-23-2007, 05:48 AM   #8
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In an earlier post I confused you with someone named - Prime Frazier DID beat Pr.
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Old 06-23-2007, 07:13 PM   #9
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The Mongoose by u dec,ponderous punchers didnt shine against Archie,Marciano beat him with pressure Lyle wouldnt be able to apply it against the cagy Moore.
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Old 06-23-2007, 07:16 PM   #10
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I'm a huge Archie Moore fan but believe Lyle would win probably early he's to big and hits really hard he took Shavers best shots and stood toe to toe with Foreman.
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I'm a huge Archie Moore fan but believe Lyle would win probably early he's to big and hits really hard he took Shavers best shots and stood toe to toe with Foreman.
i agree completely , lyle is seriously underrated. ron was a very very strong 220 pounder, he was very very muscular, he was a boxer-puncher, and he could take a punch, lyle in other era pre 70s would have been other foreman or liston.
ron would give the hell to marciano and liston . styles make fights
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Old 11-06-2010, 05:54 PM   #12
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Archie by UD. He would show Lyle things he'd never dreamed of in there; tricks that only the cagiest and most experienced fighters know. Ones that Archie learned through years and years of pain and coming up the hard way. Ron Lyle had a cakewalk of a career compared to what Archie had to go through.

I like Lyle a lot, but he's a grade schooler compared to Moore. Lyle is strong and a big puncher and as such has a shot, but most likely the Professor schools the kid in this one.

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Old 11-06-2010, 09:42 PM   #13
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Lyle wasn't really that special IMO. He gets (over)rated based mainly on performances in LOSING efforts to Ali and Foreman. In reality, he didn't have that many big actual wins, and he had pretty embarrassing upset losses to Quarry, Young, and Lynn Ball.

In a nutshell, I don't think Lyle was any better than other HW contenders that Moore beat, like Baker and Valdes. I'd take Moore by UD.
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Old 11-06-2010, 09:45 PM   #14
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Lyle wasn't really that special IMO. He gets (over)rated based mainly on performances in LOSING efforts to Ali and Foreman. In reality, he didn't have that many big actual wins, and he had pretty embarrassing upset losses to Quarry, Young, and Lynn Ball.

In a nutshell, I don't think Lyle was any better than other HW contenders that Moore beat, like Baker and Valdes. I'd take Moore by UD.
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Old 11-06-2010, 09:54 PM   #15
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Ron Lyle would get pounded ... too slow to hit this master ..
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