Archie Moore vs. Ron Lyle

cross_trainer · 06-22-2007, 05:12 PM

Predictions?

unitas · 06-22-2007, 05:17 PM

Archie is too cagy. ud.

janitor · 06-22-2007, 05:22 PM

One thing that the old mongoose could do was decision big punchers. Chances are that he would take a UD.

Marciano Frazier · 06-22-2007, 07:27 PM

Moore by UD.

Marciano Frazier · 06-22-2007, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Flabby Gut

I respect the two previous predictions but disagree completely. I don't see any way Moore could hang in there for long with Lyle. If Lyle had fought in a different era we just might be calling him another Sonny Liston. He gave Ali and Foreman very tough fights. He was a frighteningly powerful man and had underrated boxing skills.

I think you're overrating Lyle here. He was soundly beaten by both Quarry and Young. He was really only ahead before being stopped against Ali because Ali had gone Rope-a-Dope happy and fooled around for large stretches trying to use the Rope-a-Dope when it obviously wasn't going to work, and Lyle was aware of it in advance.
Lyle was a dangerous hitter, no question, but I don't think he was really on a top-flight level in that respect; his knockout average wasn't particularly impressive at just over 60%, and in all his major fights, the only time he ever actually stopped anyone was when he narrowly escaped being knocked out himself to take out the shaky-chinned Shavers.

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If Patterson could take Moore out in five rounds then Lyle could get him out of there sooner.

Lyle KO 4 Moore

This is faulty logic. Patterson and Lyle had widely contrasting styles. One might also say, had the fight not actually happened, that if Patterson could take out Moore in five rounds, Marciano would take him out sooner. Patterson was a blazing fast swarmer who could pick holes in Moore's defense and overwhelm him with barrages. Lyle couldn't do the same thing, being, by comparison, a ponderous fighter. The strongest analogy between Lyle and any of Moore's opponents, in fact, is with Valdes, who Moore soundly defeated twice.

rekcutnevets · 06-22-2007, 10:38 PM

I think Lyle would eventually catch him upside the head.

Lyle by ko.

Marciano Frazier · 06-22-2007, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Flabby Gut

In an earlier post I confused you with someone named - Prime Frazier DID beat Pr. I am really sorry. You are a gentleman and a nice guy. I guess I got confused because this guy has "Frazier" in his profile. Please accept my apologies.

It's fine. I didn't actually notice you saying anything I found insulting or offensive, anyway.

janitor · 06-23-2007, 05:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Flabby Gut

In an earlier post I confused you with someone named - Prime Frazier DID beat Pr.

Hang your head in shame.

mcvey · 06-23-2007, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by cross_trainer

Predictions?

The Mongoose by u dec,ponderous punchers didnt shine against Archie,Marciano beat him with pressure Lyle wouldnt be able to apply it against the cagy Moore.

Minotauro · 06-23-2007, 07:16 PM

I'm a huge Archie Moore fan but believe Lyle would win probably early he's to big and hits really hard he took Shavers best shots and stood toe to toe with Foreman.

combatesdeboxeo · 11-06-2010, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Minotauro

I'm a huge Archie Moore fan but believe Lyle would win probably early he's to big and hits really hard he took Shavers best shots and stood toe to toe with Foreman.

i agree completely , lyle is seriously underrated. ron was a very very strong 220 pounder, he was very very muscular, he was a boxer-puncher, and he could take a punch, lyle in other era pre 70s would have been other foreman or liston.
ron would give the hell to marciano and liston . styles make fights

Surf-Bat · 11-06-2010, 05:54 PM

Archie by UD. He would show Lyle things he'd never dreamed of in there; tricks that only the cagiest and most experienced fighters know. Ones that Archie learned through years and years of pain and coming up the hard way. Ron Lyle had a cakewalk of a career compared to what Archie had to go through.

I like Lyle a lot, but he's a grade schooler compared to Moore. Lyle is strong and a big puncher and as such has a shot, but most likely the Professor schools the kid in this one.

My2Sense · 11-06-2010, 09:42 PM

Lyle wasn't really that special IMO. He gets (over)rated based mainly on performances in LOSING efforts to Ali and Foreman. In reality, he didn't have that many big actual wins, and he had pretty embarrassing upset losses to Quarry, Young, and Lynn Ball.

In a nutshell, I don't think Lyle was any better than other HW contenders that Moore beat, like Baker and Valdes. I'd take Moore by UD.

combatesdeboxeo · 11-06-2010, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by My2Sense

Lyle wasn't really that special IMO. He gets (over)rated based mainly on performances in LOSING efforts to Ali and Foreman. In reality, he didn't have that many big actual wins, and he had pretty embarrassing upset losses to Quarry, Young, and Lynn Ball.

In a nutshell, I don't think Lyle was any better than other HW contenders that Moore beat, like Baker and Valdes. I'd take Moore by UD.

he grant · 11-06-2010, 09:54 PM

Ron Lyle would get pounded ... too slow to hit this master ..

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rekcutnevets Black Sash East Side Guru Join Date: May 2007 Location: InYourMouth, NC Posts: 6,544 vCash: 1000	Re: Archie Moore vs. Ron Lyle I think Lyle would eventually catch him upside the head. Lyle by ko.
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Minotauro Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: May 2007 Location: London Posts: 2,886 vCash: 1000	Re: Archie Moore vs. Ron Lyle I'm a huge Archie Moore fan but believe Lyle would win probably early he's to big and hits really hard he took Shavers best shots and stood toe to toe with Foreman.
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Surf-Bat Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 2,514 vCash: 500	Re: Archie Moore vs. Ron Lyle Archie by UD. He would show Lyle things he'd never dreamed of in there; tricks that only the cagiest and most experienced fighters know. Ones that Archie learned through years and years of pain and coming up the hard way. Ron Lyle had a cakewalk of a career compared to what Archie had to go through. I like Lyle a lot, but he's a grade schooler compared to Moore. Lyle is strong and a big puncher and as such has a shot, but most likely the Professor schools the kid in this one. Last edited by Surf-Bat; 11-06-2010 at 06:09 PM.
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My2Sense Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 9,568 vCash: 1000	Re: Archie Moore vs. Ron Lyle Lyle wasn't really that special IMO. He gets (over)rated based mainly on performances in LOSING efforts to Ali and Foreman. In reality, he didn't have that many big actual wins, and he had pretty embarrassing upset losses to Quarry, Young, and Lynn Ball. In a nutshell, I don't think Lyle was any better than other HW contenders that Moore beat, like Baker and Valdes. I'd take Moore by UD.
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he grant Historian/Film Maker East Side Guru Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 6,476 vCash: 1000	Re: Archie Moore vs. Ron Lyle Ron Lyle would get pounded ... too slow to hit this master ..
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