Archie Moore vs. Ron Lyle

[Surf-Bat]

Originally Posted by combatesdeboxeo

quarry had better chin than moore by a mile

Hi Combat. That may be so, but it was also easier to HIT by a mile (Quarry not being one tenth the boxer that Moore was). And the consequences for swinging on and missing Archie Moore were twice what they were for swinging on and missing Jerry Quarry. Pinpoint counters to every vulnerable spot on your face and anatomy.

[My2Sense]

Originally Posted by The Mongoose

Moore cruises to a UD or a late stoppage.

Moore slipping the giant Valdez and backing him up with his power

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Quarry making Lyle lool foolish

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Bingo.

I'm still waiting for combatesdeboxeo's list of Lyle victims that were better than Charles.

[My2Sense]

Originally Posted by tommygun711

although bugner, shavers, and bonavena aren't bad wins, they don't compare to Charles at all.

That's right, they compare more to Hurricane Jackson, Heinz Neuhaus, and Don Cockell, who were all top 5 contenders when Valdes beat them.

[My2Sense]

Originally Posted by combatesdeboxeo

quarry had better chin than moore by a mile

Yep, here's Quarry's "miles better" chin at 7:03:

[tommygun711]

Originally Posted by My2Sense

That's right, they compare more to Hurricane Jackson, Heinz Neuhaus, and Don Cockell, who were all top 5 contenders when Valdes beat them.

Pretty much.
Although I think they are better then those 5 contenders.

[Duodenum]

JQ may have had a better chin than Moore. However, Hatchetman Sheppard said Archie was the hardest puncher he ever fought, with either hand. (This is significant, because Hatchetman took on Moore and JJW in back to back fights, and took on each twice.) Lowry said Moore was the hardest puncher he ever fought. Only Moore and Walcott were ever able to drop Marciano. It may not be a given that Ron has the greater firepower here. Defense, hand speed and all purpose skill are clearly in the Mongoose's favor. Moore's reach was just an inch less than Lyle's. Ron was first schooled by Young at a time when Jimmy weighed around 200. Peralta was 195 then barely 200 the two times they squared off, getting a draw in the rematch. We've all seen what Jerry did to him. Size alone wouldn't do it for Lyle. Archie beat up and took out bigger heavyweights than Ron.

[Foreman Hook]

Ronny Lyle KO EARLY.
Too big, too strong, too Powerful....WORD!!



Foreman Hooooook!

[combatesdeboxeo]

Originally Posted by My2Sense

Yep, here's Quarry's "miles better" chin at 7:03:

and this video? demonstrates ? what? this video doesn´t demonstrate shit

moore never faced chuvalo or frazier . and quarry never faced marciano. the facts are marciano knocked moore out and frazier couldn´t "ko" quarry. tko, not ko.even patterson knocked moore out faster than marciano did. patterson could not ko quarry. and joe frazier would ko moore for sure. chuvalo was very solid, he had granite chin, moore might not ko chuvalo even in dreams, chuvalo might well ko moore.
even earnie shavers could not ko quarry. quarry had better chin than moore.

[combatesdeboxeo]

Originally Posted by My2Sense

Bingo.

I'm still waiting for combatesdeboxeo's list of Lyle victims that were better than Charles.

i never said it. i said that ron lyle was much better than valdez, and much stronger. if lyle could knock down george foreman more than once , lyle had the power to knock out moore and any rival of moore

[The Mongoose]

Originally Posted by My2Sense

That's right, they compare more to Hurricane Jackson, Heinz Neuhaus, and Don Cockell, who were all top 5 contenders when Valdes beat them.

I think Valdes was better than Lyle and achieved more, less consistent but he did fight something like 20 top 10 contenders in his day. Your going to win some, lose some at a pace like that. Backyard win or not, next to Marciano, he's the only fighter to UD Charles at this time without controversy. Ray, Layne, and Walcott's point wins were heavily disputed.

[My2Sense]

Originally Posted by combatesdeboxeo

and this video? demonstrates ? what?

That your claim of Quarry having a "miles better" chin is BS.

Originally Posted by combatesdeboxeo

moore never faced chuvalo or frazier . and quarry never faced marciano.

You mean just like Lyle never faced Valdes or Baker?

Originally Posted by combatesdeboxeo

the facts are marciano knocked moore out and frazier couldn´t "ko" quarry. tko, not ko.even patterson knocked moore out faster than marciano did. patterson could not ko quarry. and joe frazier would ko moore for sure. chuvalo was very solid, he had granite chin, moore might not ko chuvalo even in dreams, chuvalo might well ko moore.

Speculation about what "would've" and "could've" happened aren't "facts."

Originally Posted by combatesdeboxeo

i never said it. i said that ron lyle was much better than valdez, and much stronger.

And without being able to point to any win that was as big as Valdes', your claim continues to be completely baseless.

Originally Posted by combatesdeboxeo

if lyle could knock down george foreman more than once , lyle had the power to knock out moore and any rival of moore[/b]

Just like if Nino Valdes had the power to blow out Hurricane Jackson early, then he had the power to stop Moore as well.

Oh, wait...

[combatesdeboxeo]

Originally Posted by My2Sense

You mean just like Lyle never faced Valdes or Baker?

not, lyle faced much better guys

Speculation about what "would've" and "could've" happened aren't "facts."

it is the easy response when you have not argument ... " it is speculation" ali would beat david jaco , it would be speculation too, but you know that he would do. you are a hypocrite simply.

And without being able to point to any win that was as big as Valdes', your claim continues to be completely baseless.

earnie shavers,oscar bonavena,jimmy ellis... all them would kick the ass of valdez, valdez was 6´3 and 209 pounds, joe bugner was 6´4 and 230 pounds .

Just like if Nino Valdes had the power to blow out Hurricane Jackson early, then he had the power to stop Moore as well.

so you are comparing george foreman(who had x 4 better chin,who was x4 stronger and x4 harder puncher ) with jackson or moore.
game over

[PowerPuncher]

I think Moore wins as he has much better skills but I do think Lyle was a load better than Valdes. who was a terrible fighter/boxer. Lyle has great speed for a big man, not a massive puncher but enough to KO Moore if he lands regularly. Moore does have a somewhat suspect chin and was KO'd plenty of times. Archie obviously has a big skill and ring smarts advantages, which I'd lean in favour of here.

[My2Sense]

Originally Posted by combatesdeboxeo

not, lyle faced much better guys

Which of them did he beat?

Originally Posted by combatesdeboxeo

it is the easy response when you have not argument ...

No, it's the CORRECT response when someone else fails to provide something to respond with an argument to in the first place.

Originally Posted by combatesdeboxeo

you are a hypocrite simply.

No, that would the person who says "the facts are.." and then is reduced to posting his own speculation. Which was you.

Originally Posted by combatesdeboxeo

earnie shavers,oscar bonavena,jimmy ellis... all them would kick the ass of valdez, ...

Prove it.

Originally Posted by combatesdeboxeo

valdez was 6´3 and 209 pounds, joe bugner was 6´4 and 230 pounds .

Which makes him equal or bigger size than other fighters who beat Bugner. What's your point?

Originally Posted by combatesdeboxeo

so you are comparing george foreman(who had x 4 better chin, ...

You mean this "4 x better chin"?

[combatesdeboxeo]

Originally Posted by PowerPuncher

I think Moore wins as he has much better skills

marvin hagler had better skill than bob foster too but all the forum did pick foster to knock him out,moore had much more skill than marciano too. moore was a lhw not a hw. guys, the weights class are for obvious motives

Lyle has great speed for a big man, not a massive puncher but enough to KO Moore if he lands regularly.

lyle was a great puncher and ,moore didn´t have a good chin and he wasn´t even a hw, so lyle might ko him for sure.

Moore does have a somewhat suspect chin and was KO'd plenty of times

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Archie moore weighed 188 pound in the hw, lyle 220 pounds of pure muscle,32 pounds difference. and it was his natural weight, he was fast and powerful, he had long reach and he took shots from foreman,shavers,quarry,bugner....
lyle by ko no contest