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Old 08-20-2007, 09:14 PM   #61
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I would dispute Ali being 6'3". Both Larry Holmes and George Foreman were listed as 6'3" in their primes, and both of them were taller than Ali. I think Ali was 6'2"; Liston 6'0.
Possibly. I remember watching Ringside on ESPN Classic and Angelo Dundee mentioned Ali's height as 6'2''.
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Old 08-20-2007, 09:16 PM   #62
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Sonny Liston is and will continue to be the most underrated heavyweight champion in history. Many people forget that Liston's best days were before actually won the title. Before he fought patterson he was more feared than a peak mike tyson!


It's those two losses to Ali that destroyed his reputation. People have forgotten what a beast this man was in his prime.

Would wipe the floor with the heavyweights of today.
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Old 08-20-2007, 09:57 PM   #63
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Yeah, Liston would clean house. In most eras.
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Old 08-20-2007, 10:16 PM   #64
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Sonny Liston is and will continue to be the most underrated heavyweight champion in history. Many people forget that Liston's best days were before actually won the title. Before he fought patterson he was more feared than a peak mike tyson!
Disagree....

Peak Tyson brought fear to a new plateau. People were mesmerized by his ability, unlike most big punchers Tyson was actually refined. So was Liston to an extent but his lack of handspeed made him less impressive.
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Old 08-21-2007, 04:57 AM   #65
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Glad to say he didn't hit me, JT, but he shook the gym when he hit the heavy bag -- frightening.
Thanks John, i could only imagine.
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Old 08-21-2007, 06:56 AM   #66
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Disagree....

Peak Tyson brought fear to a new plateau. People were mesmerized by his ability, unlike most big punchers Tyson was actually refined. So was Liston to an extent but his lack of handspeed made him less impressive.
In addition to that, Tyson had a fearful winning streak of 10 consecutive top rank contenders who were all beaten decisively, whereas Liston only managed to beat 4 top ranked contenders in his winning streak. Big difference if you ask me.
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Old 08-21-2007, 07:29 AM   #67
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Before he fought patterson he was more feared than a peak mike tyson

Liston had by no means the qualities Tyson had.
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Old 08-21-2007, 02:47 PM   #68
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I would dispute Ali being 6'3". Both Larry Holmes and George Foreman were listed as 6'3" in their primes, and both of them were taller than Ali. I think Ali was 6'2"; Liston 6'0.
I generally saw Foreman listed at 6'3 1/2" or 6'3 3/4". He doesn't look more than an inch taller than Ali to me.
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I think Ali is 6'2 1/2, and Liston is 6'1, and Holmes is 6'3 1/2, and Foreman is 6'4. Larry is noticably taller than Ali, and so is Foreman. Foreman is slightly taller than Larry though.
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Old 08-21-2007, 08:37 PM   #72
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sonny would own most of the more modern champs........his perceived size is more to do with his menacing aura....believe me, any man his size with that power hits ANYONE on the chin and the fat lady is gonna warm her vocal chords...its over.....he actually does pretty well in the first ali fight...and the guy was well past his peak then.....a peak liston is a top ten atg heavyweight, maybe a top 5.....
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Old 08-21-2007, 10:27 PM   #73
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Would wipe the floor with the heavyweights of today.
he'd fare as well as all the other smallish heavies, i.e. a fringe contender.

this thread contains more man-love than i can handle. a motel room is in order.
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Old 08-22-2007, 03:23 AM   #74
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he'd fare as well as all the other smallish heavies, i.e. a fringe contender.

this thread contains more man-love than i can handle. a motel room is in order.
I thought you might happen to appear in here

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