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Old 02-11-2009, 11:06 PM   #16
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If you're serious about this though, your argument makes no sense. If you can do 80 reps with a weight, why are you still using that weight?

You don't walk at 1mph to train do you? So why would you use a weight that you can do so many reps with?
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Old 02-11-2009, 11:25 PM   #17
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u r right that is ahigh ewight but wat they mean is a heavy weight for u. a heavy weight for ronnie coleman is differnt then a heavy weight for me. get it? if u can do more then like 8 reps of a weight its not considered a heavy weight for YOU anymore
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Old 02-12-2009, 12:30 AM   #18
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donize or whateve ur name is-
seriously - quite while ur behind- change ur profile handle- refresh ur posts. and start again.

uve lost all credibility- u know **** all.
u clearly can do **** all reps with **** all weight. otherwise ud know the answer to such a stupid question.
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Old 02-12-2009, 12:33 AM   #19
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Universally classic!!!
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Old 02-12-2009, 01:24 AM   #20
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My day has been made, and I can thank you for it good sir.
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Old 02-13-2009, 10:16 PM   #21
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donize or whateve ur name is-
seriously - quite while ur behind- change ur profile handle- refresh ur posts. and start again.

uve lost all credibility- u know **** all.
u clearly can do **** all reps with **** all weight. otherwise ud know the answer to such a stupid question.

lol

OP- the guys are right, a weight is considered as being 'heavy' when it is in the 3-6ish rep range, when you can do more reps at this weight, you up the weight and keep reps at same range to train heavy.. hope that helps
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Old 02-14-2009, 03:48 AM   #22
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A new concept in sports. Sprintathons: 42 kilometer sprints.


Donizhere's refreshing take on weight training is going to revolutionize the sport: get an incredibly heavy weight and then do shitloads of reps with it.
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Old 02-14-2009, 06:15 AM   #23
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Hmmm.....
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Old 02-15-2009, 02:41 PM   #24
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Guy A: 1X3 @ 88LBS/40Kg very heavy for him
Guy B: 1X80 @ 88LBS/40Kg very light for him

Guy A is lifting > 90% of what he can do in one set (maximal strength)
Guy B is lifting < 20% of what he can do in one set (endurance-based, almost recovery-based)

The only thing this shows is that guy B is significantly stronger than guy A at curling a dumbbell. It also shows that they are both wasting their time by doing bicep curls.
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Old 02-15-2009, 11:15 PM   #25
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Guy A: 1X3 @ 88LBS/40Kg very heavy for him
Guy B: 1X80 @ 88LBS/40Kg very light for him

Guy A is lifting > 90% of what he can do in one set (maximal strength)
Guy B is lifting < 20% of what he can do in one set (endurance-based, almost recovery-based)

The only thing this shows is that guy B is significantly stronger than guy A at curling a dumbbell. It also shows that they are both wasting their time by doing bicep curls.

What exactly are bicep curls useless for?
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Old 02-16-2009, 06:45 AM   #26
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What exactly are bicep curls useless for?
For lots of things
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Old 02-16-2009, 07:31 AM   #27
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What exactly are bicep curls useless for?
If your a BB cables are better as the work the length and thickness of the muscle better aswell as your peak. Either way Curls are NOT useless. There good for for getting the arms warm if your working out light and getting loose. Heavy curls though can be a bit counter-productive as you loose form and then start using other muscle groups as stabilizers.
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Old 02-16-2009, 08:02 AM   #28
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Old 02-16-2009, 08:24 AM   #29
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I made this topic because people say High reps with Light Weights don't work on strength.

But what about High Reps with Heavy weights or medium Weights there isnt much info about this....
Thats fairly obvious dude. More weight means more strength required to lift the said weight. That being said repping heavy till failure is good for building strength providing you have excellent form and not sloppy technique. Note the heavier you go the more stress on your joints. So you do have to know your limitations as well as having the correct kit on to ensure you don't harm yourself.
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Old 02-16-2009, 09:49 AM   #30
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Marcum: I will use bicep curls vs chinups as an example:

Bicep curls will target the biceps and isolate them. The forearms/traps/shoulders will only become stabilizers through the pulling motion (they aren't indirectly hit enough for strength gain, and thus those muscles don't reap the benefits of the exercise).

Chinups on the other hand will literally hit EVERY part of the upper body and believe it or not the pushing muscles (chest/shoulder/triceps) will get a workout from it as well (although the benefits will be the general back/lats/traps/forearms/biceps pulling muscles as opposed to just the biceps with curls)


The same case could be made for leg extension v.s. squat:.

The squat will literally target the entire lower body with the abs/lower back getting indirectly hit ENOUGH to gain strength in those areas.

The leg extension will hit the quads and the only exercise to stabilize it is what? The shoulder.

That means with two exercise you can hit the entire lower body and backside. Throw in pushups and you have a complete full body workout with only 3 exercises and not 50 random bodybuilding ones. The case against bicep curls is that you can always be doing something better than them. You would have been better off doing 10X3 chinups at 80% your 1RM than 3X10 chinups at 70% your 1RM and 3X10 bicep curls at 70% your 1RM. I'm not even a big weightlifter, but when I do it, I'm going to do it right. I'm a big believer in cross training though, which is why I incorporate them in when I can.
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