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Old 02-19-2009, 11:06 AM   #16
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jofre- too high...never beaten an hall of famer...forget saldivar, he's past his prime
I have told you before, Jofre only ever lost against one man, Fighting Harada another great, and both times away from home in Japan, IBRO list Jofre as their #1 bantamweight and as their #15 greatest ever boxer, i have him lower than that at #18, when you came on this site you wanted a group of people to rank boxers ? so what is wrong with them having him at #15 ? {and me having him at #18} they are a group arent they ?
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Old 02-19-2009, 11:48 AM   #17
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Boxers just missing out on the top 400 {perhaps they shouldnt ?} include, Julien Jackson,
Vernon Forrest, John Conteh, JM Marquez and Maurice Hope.
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Old 02-19-2009, 11:54 AM   #18
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This is getting a little bit weird now.
I get this feeling too. The amount of effort is commendable, but I'm struggling to see the point to be honest, other than gaining personal plaudits.

The list itself is vast, but it is not a great list at all in terms of quality.
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Old 02-19-2009, 11:57 AM   #19
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WHERE'S JOPPY????

You had him 143rd in a recent list (above both Erik Morales and Azumah Nelson), now you say he'd be 400-500. What has William done in a couple of months that has seen him drop 300 places?
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Old 02-19-2009, 12:00 PM   #20
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oh, my, god...
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1] Sugar Ray Robinson
2] Henry Armstrong
3] Langford
4] Greb
5] Duran
6] B.Leonard
7] Wilde
8] Ali
9] Louis
10] Pep
11] Charles
12] Fitzsimmons
13] Gans
14] R.Leonard
15] Hagler
16] Walker
17] Moore
18] Jofre
19] Tunney
20] Jack Johnson
21] Monzon
22] Whitaker
23] B.Ross
24] Saddler
25] Canzoneri
26] Salvador Sanchez
27] Babadoes Joe Walcott
28] Ketchel
29] I.Williams
30] Burley
31] Marciano
32] Jack Dempsey
33] Roy Jones Jnr
34] Holmes
35] Dixon
36] Cesar Charvez
37] E.Griffith
38] Arguello
39] Holyfield
40] Kid Gavilan
41] Hearns
42] Napoles
43] Packey McFarland
44] Freddie Welsh
45] Driscoll
46] C.Ortiz
47] L.Lewis
48] Mayweather Jnr
49] Harada
50] Britton
51] Olivares
52] M.Spinks
53] Calzaghe
54] Hopkins
55] Wills
56] W.Gomez
57] foster
58] Loughran
59] LM Rodriquez
60] Villa
61] Al Brown
62] M.Ortiz
63] Dick Tiger
64] Conn
65] Attell
66] Pascual Perez
67] Canto
68] McGovern
69] Ted Kid Lewis
70] Kid Chocolate
71] Joe Brown
72] Tiger Flower
73] Cerdan
74] Jeffries
75] Basilio
76] McLarnin
77] T.Ryan
78] Beau Jack
79] Angott
80] Pryer
81] McCallum
82] W.Benitez
83] De La Hoya
84] Billy Graham
85] Gibbons
86] Kilbane
87] Blackburn
88] Ambers
89] Tyson
90] H.Williams
91] Liston
92] Herman
93] Philly Jack O'Brien
94] Loi
95] Cervantes
96] Zarate
97] Giardello
98] Trinidad
99] Buchanan
100]Laguna
101]Montgomery
102]Barrera
103]Dundee
104]Zale
105]Vicente Salvador
106]LaBarba
107]Kid Williams
108]Nonpareil Jack Dempsey
109]Elorde
110]Genero
111]Battling Nelson
112]Rosenbloom
113]La Motta
114]Foreman
115]Frazier
116]R.Lopez
117]Carpentier
118]Locche
119]Pacquiao
120]Kane
121]Jersey Joe Walcott
122]Dillon
123]Marshall
124]Graziano
125]Delaney
126]Camacho
127]Sharkey
128]J.Lynch
129]Kingpetch
130]Barry
131]Ad Wolgast
132]Benvenuti
133]Baer
134]Jeanette
135]Tendler
136]Buff
137]Coulon
138]Chandler
139]Holly
140]DeJesus
141]Young P.Jackson
142]Winky Wright
143]Mosley
144]Morales
145]Blackburn
146]Griffo
147]B.Lynch
148]Kid Berg
149]H.Johnson
150]Mandell
151]Escobar
152]Freddie Steele
153]Azumah Nelson
154]Bud Taylor
155]Accavallo
156]Young Corbett 111
157]Booker
158]Bivins
159]Moran
160]Ohba
161]H.Gonzalez
162]Toney
163]James J Corbett
164]Patterson
165]Kid McCoy
166]Galaxy
167]Freddie Miller
168]Carbajal
169]F.Burns
170]Winstone
171]Levinsky
172]Fullmer
173]McAuliffe
174]McGuigan
175]Pintor
176]Coulon
177]Pal Moore
178]Becerra
179]E.Pedrozsa
180]Fenech
181]Honeyghan
182]Joey Archer
183]Qawi
184]John Henry Lewis
185]Hamed
186]Collins
187]Saad Muhammed
188]Perkins
189]Schmeling
190]Turpin
191]Gushiken
192]George Gardner
193]Jung Koo Chang
194]John L Sullivan
195]Ritchie
196]Kilbane
197]Bowe
198]Eubank
199]Kid Lavigne
200]Zivic
201]Benn
202]Terry Norris
203]Midget Wolgast
204]Lew Jenkins
205]Maxim
206]Darcey
207]Freddie Mills
208]Papp
209]Rosenberg
210]Percy Jones
211]Battling Battalino
212]Stansol
213]Laciar
214]Kid Norfolk
215]Nunn
216]Danny Lopez
217]Tommy Burns
218]Mormack
219]Michalczewski
220]Virgil Hill
221]Tiozzo
222]Carruthers
223]Chalky Wright
224]Young Corbett 11
225]Papke
226]George Godfrey
227]Choynski
228]Johansson
229]Arcachakov
230]Kid Kaplan
231]Jackie Paterson
232]Mark Johnson
233]Cocoa Kid
234]Arizmendi
235]Young Jack Thompson
236]Klaus
237]Tancey Lee
238]Sun Kil Moon
239]Jeffra
240]Chionoi
241]Salica
242]Marcias
243]Bass
244]Jackie Fields
245]Tiger Fox
246]Davey Moore
247]Curry
248]Dixie Kidd
249]Zamora
250]Mcvea
251]Bushy Graham
252]Burruni
253]Carlos De Leon
254]Halimi
255]Norton
256]Jack Root
257]Young Stribbling
258]Petrolle
259]Billy Smith
260]Dado
261]Carter
262]O'Dowd
263]Wajima
264]Chase
265]Hatton
266]Monaghan
267]Gilberto Roman
268]Saxton
269]Escalera
270]McGirt
271]Tszyu
272]Carlos Hernandez
273]Canizales
274]Goldstein
275]Black Bill
276]Rocky Kansas
277]Frankie Fleming
278]Cochrane
279]Zaragoza
280]Yarosz
281]Myung-woo Yuh
282]Lockridge
283]Legra
284]Pladner
285]Berlenbach
286]Ebihara
287]Carattoli
288]Palamino
289]Marcel
290]Valdez
291]Olson
292]Montanez
293]Elky Clark
294]Watanabe
295]Rafael Marquez
296]Mando Ramos
297]Zapata
298]Rose
299]Ceferino Garcia
300]Britt
301]L.Espinosa
302]Jeff Clark
303]Hart
304]Jose Torres
305]Jeff Harding
306]Herrera
307]Kalambay
308]Joyce
309]Borkhorsov
310]Castro
311]Lora
312]Coker
313]Brian Mitchell
314]Lou Bogash
315]Siki
316]Sugar Ramos
317]Betulio Gonzalez
318]Cuevas
319]Efren Torres
320]Coggi
321]Carlos Teo Cruz
322]Starling
323]Rosario
324]Kobayashi
325]Johnny Nelson
326]Ramey
327]Castillo
328]Bassett
329]Meldrick Taylor
330]Gerald McClellan
331]Kid Aztec
332]Thil
333]Mazzinghi
334]Frankie Randall
335]Kalule
336]Day
337]McCrory
338]Ishimatsu
339]Sarron
340]Junior Jones
341]Aspostoli
342]Lora
343]Willard
344]Farr
345]Newsboy Brown
346]Ottke
347]Freitas
348]Famechon
349]Alvarez
350]Brouilard
351]Miske
352]Austin
353]Sharmba Mitchell
354]Wonjongkam
355]Tokuyama
356]Tod Morgan
357]Villaflor
358]Niida
359]Morel
360]MA Gonzalez
361]Cory Spinks
362]Aguirre
363]Salavarria
364]Sorjaturong
365]Wlad Klitschko
366]Pastrano
367]Milton McCrory
368]Toweel
369]kawashima
370]Larios
371]Vargas
372]Bungu
373]Pender
374]Baxton
375]McKinney
376]Juan Diaz
377]Mugabi
378]Hasegawa
379]Serrano
380]Cohen
381]Orlin Norris
382]Jordan
383]Callahan
384]P.Jackson
385]Fujii
386]Shirai
387]James J Braddock
388]Jirov
389]Bramble
390]Davila
391]Marino
392]Shibata
393]Lujan
394]Paret
395]Chris John
396]Mamby
397]Kessler
398]Barkley
399]Pavlik
400]Jermain Taylor

I went to update my top 200 because i realised after putting up a thread about Ken Buchanan, that i had left Ismael Laguna off the list, also i realised i had not treated Packey McFarland fairly in my original list, i originally placed him inside the top 100, but after reading about him, a top 50 place just above one of his victims Freddie Welsh would be fairer, the
big loser in this reshuffle is Felix Trinidad who i had reservations about when i had him at #80 is now dropped down to #98.
When i drew up a top 200, i had a short list of well over 300 boxers, so i added some more boxers to end up with a nice round number of 400.
The top 100 is in some sort of order,places 100-200 is difficult to categorize and places 200-400 is virtually impossible to rank in order. I admit the lower down the list the less effort has gone into ranking the boxers, if i am missing somebody or i have a 'doubler' or there a rankings that are clearly wrong, let me know and i will change them, all comments welcome.
{things were starting to get so desperate towards the end of the list that if i had a top 500, Antonio Tarver and William Joppy would have been in it.}

You need to go out and get some *** mate

Only kidding, fair play to you, i don't really agree with a lot of your placings but i'm struggling like **** to do a top 50 that i'm happy with never mind a top 400
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ESB Classic has turned out much worse than the abomination some of us were fearing...
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I agree with steviebhoy.

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Seriously. What the ****? Your top 200 sucked bad enough, let's end this shit.
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1] Sugar Ray Robinson
2] Henry Armstrong
3] Langford
4] Greb
5] Duran
6] B.Leonard
7] Wilde
8] Ali
9] Louis
10] Pep
11] Charles
12] Fitzsimmons
13] Gans
14] R.Leonard
15] Hagler
16] Walker
17] Moore
18] Jofre
19] Tunney
20] Jack Johnson
21] Monzon
22] Whitaker
23] B.Ross
24] Saddler
25] Canzoneri
26] Salvador Sanchez
27] Babadoes Joe Walcott
28] Ketchel
29] I.Williams
30] Burley
31] Marciano
32] Jack Dempsey
33] Roy Jones Jnr
34] Holmes
35] Dixon
36] Cesar Charvez
37] E.Griffith
38] Arguello
39] Holyfield
40] Kid Gavilan
41] Hearns
42] Napoles
43] Packey McFarland
44] Freddie Welsh
45] Driscoll
46] C.Ortiz
47] L.Lewis
48] Mayweather Jnr
49] Harada
50] Britton
51] Olivares
52] M.Spinks
53] Calzaghe
54] Hopkins
55] Wills
56] W.Gomez
57] foster
58] Loughran
59] LM Rodriquez
60] Villa
61] Al Brown
62] M.Ortiz
63] Dick Tiger
64] Conn
65] Attell
66] Pascual Perez
67] Canto
68] McGovern
69] Ted Kid Lewis
70] Kid Chocolate
71] Joe Brown
72] Tiger Flower
73] Cerdan
74] Jeffries
75] Basilio
76] McLarnin
77] T.Ryan
78] Beau Jack
79] Angott
80] Pryer
81] McCallum
82] W.Benitez
83] De La Hoya
84] Billy Graham
85] Gibbons
86] Kilbane
87] Blackburn
88] Ambers
89] Tyson
90] H.Williams
91] Liston
92] Herman
93] Philly Jack O'Brien
94] Loi
95] Cervantes
96] Zarate
97] Giardello
98] Trinidad
99] Buchanan
100]Laguna
101]Montgomery
102]Barrera
103]Dundee
104]Zale
105]Vicente Salvador
106]LaBarba
107]Kid Williams
108]Nonpareil Jack Dempsey
109]Elorde
110]Genero
111]Battling Nelson
112]Rosenbloom
113]La Motta
114]Foreman
115]Frazier
116]R.Lopez
117]Carpentier
118]Locche
119]Pacquiao
120]Kane
121]Jersey Joe Walcott
122]Dillon
123]Marshall
124]Graziano
125]Delaney
126]Camacho
127]Sharkey
128]J.Lynch
129]Kingpetch
130]Barry
131]Ad Wolgast
132]Benvenuti
133]Baer
134]Jeanette
135]Tendler
136]Buff
137]Coulon
138]Chandler
139]Holly
140]DeJesus
141]Young P.Jackson
142]Winky Wright
143]Mosley
144]Morales
145]Blackburn
146]Griffo
147]B.Lynch
148]Kid Berg
149]H.Johnson
150]Mandell
151]Escobar
152]Freddie Steele
153]Azumah Nelson
154]Bud Taylor
155]Accavallo
156]Young Corbett 111
157]Booker
158]Bivins
159]Moran
160]Ohba
161]H.Gonzalez
162]Toney
163]James J Corbett
164]Patterson
165]Kid McCoy
166]Galaxy
167]Freddie Miller
168]Carbajal
169]F.Burns
170]Winstone
171]Levinsky
172]Fullmer
173]McAuliffe
174]McGuigan
175]Pintor
176]Coulon
177]Pal Moore
178]Becerra
179]E.Pedrozsa
180]Fenech
181]Honeyghan
182]Joey Archer
183]Qawi
184]John Henry Lewis
185]Hamed
186]Collins
187]Saad Muhammed
188]Perkins
189]Schmeling
190]Turpin
191]Gushiken
192]George Gardner
193]Jung Koo Chang
194]John L Sullivan
195]Ritchie
196]Kilbane
197]Bowe
198]Eubank
199]Kid Lavigne
200]Zivic
201]Benn
202]Terry Norris
203]Midget Wolgast
204]Lew Jenkins
205]Maxim
206]Darcey
207]Freddie Mills
208]Papp
209]Rosenberg
210]Percy Jones
211]Battling Battalino
212]Stansol
213]Laciar
214]Kid Norfolk
215]Nunn
216]Danny Lopez
217]Tommy Burns
218]Mormack
219]Michalczewski
220]Virgil Hill
221]Tiozzo
222]Carruthers
223]Chalky Wright
224]Young Corbett 11
225]Papke
226]George Godfrey
227]Choynski
228]Johansson
229]Arcachakov
230]Kid Kaplan
231]Jackie Paterson
232]Mark Johnson
233]Cocoa Kid
234]Arizmendi
235]Young Jack Thompson
236]Klaus
237]Tancey Lee
238]Sun Kil Moon
239]Jeffra
240]Chionoi
241]Salica
242]Marcias
243]Bass
244]Jackie Fields
245]Tiger Fox
246]Davey Moore
247]Curry
248]Dixie Kidd
249]Zamora
250]Mcvea
251]Bushy Graham
252]Burruni
253]Carlos De Leon
254]Halimi
255]Norton
256]Jack Root
257]Young Stribbling
258]Petrolle
259]Billy Smith
260]Dado
261]Carter
262]O'Dowd
263]Wajima
264]Chase
265]Hatton
266]Monaghan
267]Gilberto Roman
268]Saxton
269]Escalera
270]McGirt
271]Tszyu
272]Carlos Hernandez
273]Canizales
274]Goldstein
275]Black Bill
276]Rocky Kansas
277]Frankie Fleming
278]Cochrane
279]Zaragoza
280]Yarosz
281]Myung-woo Yuh
282]Lockridge
283]Legra
284]Pladner
285]Berlenbach
286]Ebihara
287]Carattoli
288]Palamino
289]Marcel
290]Valdez
291]Olson
292]Montanez
293]Elky Clark
294]Watanabe
295]Rafael Marquez
296]Mando Ramos
297]Zapata
298]Rose
299]Ceferino Garcia
300]Britt
301]L.Espinosa
302]Jeff Clark
303]Hart
304]Jose Torres
305]Jeff Harding
306]Herrera
307]Kalambay
308]Joyce
309]Borkhorsov
310]Castro
311]Lora
312]Coker
313]Brian Mitchell
314]Lou Bogash
315]Siki
316]Sugar Ramos
317]Betulio Gonzalez
318]Cuevas
319]Efren Torres
320]Coggi
321]Carlos Teo Cruz
322]Starling
323]Rosario
324]Kobayashi
325]Johnny Nelson
326]Ramey
327]Castillo
328]Bassett
329]Meldrick Taylor
330]Gerald McClellan
331]Kid Aztec
332]Thil
333]Mazzinghi
334]Frankie Randall
335]Kalule
336]Day
337]McCrory
338]Ishimatsu
339]Sarron
340]Junior Jones
341]Aspostoli
342]Lora
343]Willard
344]Farr
345]Newsboy Brown
346]Ottke
347]Freitas
348]Famechon
349]Alvarez
350]Brouilard
351]Miske
352]Austin
353]Sharmba Mitchell
354]Wonjongkam
355]Tokuyama
356]Tod Morgan
357]Villaflor
358]Niida
359]Morel
360]MA Gonzalez
361]Cory Spinks
362]Aguirre
363]Salavarria
364]Sorjaturong
365]Wlad Klitschko
366]Pastrano
367]Milton McCrory
368]Toweel
369]kawashima
370]Larios
371]Vargas
372]Bungu
373]Pender
374]Baxton
375]McKinney
376]Juan Diaz
377]Mugabi
378]Hasegawa
379]Serrano
380]Cohen
381]Orlin Norris
382]Jordan
383]Callahan
384]P.Jackson
385]Fujii
386]Shirai
387]James J Braddock
388]Jirov
389]Bramble
390]Davila
391]Marino
392]Shibata
393]Lujan
394]Paret
395]Chris John
396]Mamby
397]Kessler
398]Barkley
399]Pavlik
400]Jermain Taylor

I went to update my top 200 because i realised after putting up a thread about Ken Buchanan, that i had left Ismael Laguna off the list, also i realised i had not treated Packey McFarland fairly in my original list, i originally placed him inside the top 100, but after reading about him, a top 50 place just above one of his victims Freddie Welsh would be fairer, the
big loser in this reshuffle is Felix Trinidad who i had reservations about when i had him at #80 is now dropped down to #98.
When i drew up a top 200, i had a short list of well over 300 boxers, so i added some more boxers to end up with a nice round number of 400.
The top 100 is in some sort of order,places 100-200 is difficult to categorize and places 200-400 is virtually impossible to rank in order. I admit the lower down the list the less effort has gone into ranking the boxers, if i am missing somebody or i have a 'doubler' or there a rankings that are clearly wrong, let me know and i will change them, all comments welcome.
{things were starting to get so desperate towards the end of the list that if i had a top 500, Antonio Tarver and William Joppy would have been in it.}
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Boxers just missing out on the top 400 {perhaps they shouldnt ?} include, Julien Jackson,
Vernon Forrest, John Conteh, JM Marquez and Maurice Hope.
Actually consider this for a minute anyone who is bothering to view this freakshow....

The guy who has spent Christ knows how long making a spectacularly useless top 400 ranks:

- Joe Calzaghe at 53rd ever

- And Juan Manuel Marquez does not make a top FOUR HUNDRED



You think someone who had gone to so much trouble would actually bother learning something about the damn sport first!

There is absolutely no way in hell any sane person can justify a 350+ place difference between the world p4p#2 Marquez and #3 Calzaghe - it boggles the mind!
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Seriously. What the ****? Your top 200 sucked bad enough, let's end this shit.
Too true.
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The list itself is vast, but it is not a great list at all in terms of quality.[/quote]

In light of the above comment, lets remind ourselves of DINAMITA's recent top 100, shall we :-
1-10
Tier One________________________________________________
Sugar Ray Robinson
Sam Langford
Harry Greb
Henry Armstrong
Ezzard Charles
Muhammad Ali
Roberto Duran
Mickey Walker

Tier Two________________________________________________
Archie Moore*
Barney Ross

11-20
Carlos Monzon
Willie Pep
Benny Leonard
Bob Fitzsimmons
Ray Leonard
Pernell Whitaker
Gene Tunney

Tier Three_______________________________________________
Roy Jones Jr*
Emile Griffith
Charley Burley

21-30
Joe Louis
Joe Gans
Eder Jofre
Alexis Arguello
Sandy Saddler
Tony Canzoneri
Kid Gavilan
Barbados Joe Walcott
Jimmy Wilde

Tier Four________________________________________________
Julio Cesar Chavez

31-40
Carlos Ortiz
Bernard Hopkins
Thomas Hearns
Marvin Hagler
Evander Holyfield
Jose Napoles
Lennox Lewis
Floyd Mayweather Jr
Holman Williams*
Ike Williams

41-50
Manny Pacquiao
Salvador Sanchez
Luis Manuel Rodriguez
Ruben Olivares
Fighting Harada*
Jimmy McLarnin
Jack Britton

Tier Five________________________________________________
Michael Spinks
Terry McGovern
Rocky Marciano

51-60
Miguel Canto
Ted Kid Lewis
Billy Conn
Jack Dempsey 'Nonpareil'
Dick Tiger
Jack Johnson
Pascual Perez
Harry Wills
Wilfredo Gomez
Tiger Flowers

61-70
Jimmy Bivins
Bob Foster

Tier Six_________________________________________________
Duilio Loi
Pancho Villa
Tommy Loughran
Stanley Ketchel
Georges Carpentier
Lloyd Marshall
Carmen Basilio
Jake LaMotta

71-80
Joe Brown
Manuel Ortiz
Sonny Liston

Tier Seven_______________________________________________
George Foreman
Ken Buchanan
Joe Frazier
Panama Al Brown
Mike Tyson
Gene Fullmer
Nino Benvenuti

81-90
Mike McCallum
Kid Chocolate
Oscar De La Hoya
Marco Antonio Barrera
Marcel Cerdan
Larry Holmes
Azumah Nelson
Erik Morales
James Toney
Ricardo Lopez

91-100
Tier Eight_______________________________________________
Wilfred Benitez
Carlos Zarate
Felix Trinidad
Aaron Pryor
Nicolino Locche
Antonio Cervantes
Jack Dempsey
Vicente Saldivar
Joe Calzaghe
Benny Lynch

No George Dixon {#35 on my list}
NO Parkey McFarland{#43 on my list}
No Jim Driscoll {#45 on my list}
No Jim Jeffries {#74 on my list}
No Beau Jack {#78 on my list}

These 5 boxers are stonewall top 100 and you have not got one of them in your list

Instead you have got =
Morales,Bivins,Carpentier and FFS James Toney and Benny Lynch of Scotland.

You rank Hopkins over Hagler, you got to be off your head with that one.

You rank Manny Pacman over Salvador Sanchez .

Do i need to go on ?

You have the 'Mighty Atom' at #29
You have Monzon above Sugar Ray Leonard
You have La Motta above Larry Holmes
You have Liston,Foreman,Frazier as well as La Motta too high
You rank Lennox Lewis as your #3 heavyweight [natural] ?, i have him #7.
You rank Calzaghe as the #2 ATG Welshman, i say #4 ?
You rank Pacquiao as the #1 Filipino, may be one day, currently i have him #3

Hopkins #32 = joke [not even top 50]
Hagler #34 = joke [should be inside top 20]
Pacquiao #41 = joke [no justification for this ranking at this stage]
Wilde #29= joke [top 10 or thereabouts]
Bivins #61 = joke [outside top 100,lost against virtually ever other top fighter he fought]
Morales #88 = joke [well outside top 100]
Toney #89 = joke [well outside top 100]
B.Lynch #100 =joke [well outside top 100, never fought outside UK, infact had virtually every fight in Scotland]

also Roy Jones Jr up at #18 ??? = 'joke', way ahead of Marvelous Marvin Hagler !

The above 'jokes' are way out, i am not going to mention, Ezzard Charles at #5 and Marciano 45 places lower than that {Rocky beat him twice, my gap is only 20 places} or Walker at #8 or Monzon at #11 as they are your choices, but the 'joke' picks i have highlighted above this paragraph are truly terrible

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