Top 400 All Time Greats

[DINAMITA]

Originally Posted by DINAMITA

WHERE'S JOPPY????

You had him 143rd in a recent list (above both Erik Morales and Azumah Nelson), now you say he'd be 400-500. What has William done in a couple of months that has seen him drop 300 places?

Trampie,

Your three or four replies to one of my posts shows you how hot and bothered you are ,

but the fact remains that your list is a WILLIAM JOPPY

and my list was a PERNELL WHITAKER by comparison.


The Classic Forum has spoken!! Your list sucks!

Biggest waste of time in history! The validation you so desperately crave has not been given! Try again in some other way!!

[TommyV]

Originally Posted by trampie

No George Dixon {#35 on my list}
NO Parkey McFarland{#43 on my list}
No Jim Driscoll {#45 on my list}
No Jim Jeffries {#74 on my list}
No Beau Jack {#78 on my list}

Your list sucks though.

Hopkins #32 = joke [not even top 50]
Hagler #34 = joke [should be inside top 20]
Pacquiao #41 = joke [no justification for this ranking at this stage]
Wilde #29= joke [top 10 or thereabouts]
Bivins #61 = joke [outside top 100,lost against virtually ever other top fighter he fought]
Morales #88 = joke [well outside top 100]
Toney #89 = joke [well outside top 100]
B.Lynch #100 =joke [well outside top 100, never fought outside UK, infact had virtually every fight in Scotland]

Hopkins is easily top 40 material.

Hagler should no way be in the top 20. #34 is fine.

Pacquiao is fine, you call that a joke and have Calzaghe at #53?

Charles should be #5, Marciano doesn't make my top 50.

Mickey Walker should be top 10.

Wilde should be nowhere near the top 10.

I also have no major qualms with Lynch, Toney, Morales or Bivins in the top 100.

Roy should be top 20.

[TommyV]

Your top 20 is laughable enough, Wilde at 7?

Louis shouldn't be top 10, Charles shouldn't be lower than #7. Hagler at 15 is laughable aswell. Jofre shouldn't be at 18. Johnson at 20 is hilarious.

Don't even get me started on Calzaghe, ahead of Hopkins? Ahead of De La Hoya? Ahead of Trinidad? Guys like Hasegawa ahead of Jirov and Braddock? I don't know what Lujan you have in there either, but frankly if it's any of Manuel, Jorge or Sebastian it's another laughable pick.

[DINAMITA]

Originally Posted by TommyV

Your list sucks though.



Hopkins is easily top 40 material.

Hagler should no way be in the top 20. #34 is fine.

Pacquiao is fine, you call that a joke and have Calzaghe at #53?

Charles should be #5, Marciano doesn't make my top 50.

Mickey Walker should be top 10.

Wilde should be nowhere near the top 10.

I also have no major qualms with Lynch, Toney, Morales or Bivins in the top 100.

Roy should be top 20.

Exactly.

My list shits all over his.

Cheers for your input Tommy

[DINAMITA]

Originally Posted by TommyV

Your top 20 is laughable enough, Wilde at 7?

Louis shouldn't be top 10, Charles shouldn't be lower than #7. Hagler at 15 is laughable aswell. Jofre shouldn't be at 18. Johnson at 20 is hilarious.

All very obvious errors I've called him on before.

The guy's knowledge is dire.

[GPater11093]

i think you could make a case for louis being top 10 as after all the top 30 or so boxers are pretty close and louis is the longest holder of a title ever

i think also you could rank hagler as high as 15 and even top 10 IMO as he could be classed as the greatest middlewight ever depenedson who you speak to i think him and monzon are joint top and are just in the top 10 or just outside it depends what mood i am in

[trampie]

Originally Posted by trampie

DINAMITA, can you tell the forum why you do not have =
George Dixon, Parkey McFarland, Jim Driscoll,Freddie Welsh and Jim Jeffries in your top 100 ?
{ i will leave you off for not having Lou Ambers, Beau Jack and Billy Graham}

Packey McFarland had 104 fights in his career and lost just one, he beat Jack Britton #47 on your list twice and 1 draw, the boxrec report for one of their fights says Packey won every round accept one whch was even, Packey also had wins over Welsh, Kilbane and Britt.

George Dixon was the first black World boxing champion, ranked by Nat Fleischer as the #1 All Time greatest bantamweight.

Jim Jeffries fought in the most famous fight ever against Jack Johnson, Jeffries KO Fitzsimmons #14 on your list, not once but twice he also beat James J Corbett, Sharkey and Peter Jackson.

Freddie Welsh had a win over Benny Leonard #13 on your list, as well as wins over Ad Wolgast, Johnny Dundee, Jim Driscoll and Willie Ritchie, Ritchie is another one that does not make your list.

Jim Driscoll beat Abe Attell winning every round, he also beat George Dixon 3 times, oh i have just realised you have not got Abe Attell in your top 100 either ???

You obviously know nothing about the history of boxing !!!!

The best thing you can do is admit you left these older boxers of your list because they were in most cases pre film, thats why you know nothing about them, if you try and diss them, no serious boxing fan will be able to take you seriously.
If people point out glaring mistakes in my list i will change them, i am no expert, thats why other resources was used to try and prevent leaving off boxers that belonged on the list.
You on the other hand, will never admit to being wrong, so come on either justify why Dixon,McFarland,Driscoll,Welsh,Beau Jack,Attell,Jim Jeffries etc are not amongst your top 100 or admit to having a crap list and having made a balls up of it.

If you make excuses for not including most of the above boxers and in the future update/create a new top 100 list, with some of them on it, i will be down on you like a ton of bricks.

DINAMITA you have not answered why is Dixon,McFarland,Driscoll,Jeffries,Welsh,Attell etc missing from your list ?

[GPater11093]

trampie just leave it out

you too dinamita

dinamita you ahve an excellant list but have afew mistakes but except that good

trampie you spent an enourmous time doing a top 400 and i respect that of course with 400 names you will make afew mistakes but it is excellant list mostly both of yours are


so stop arguing

[TommyV]

Originally Posted by GPater11093

trampie just leave it out

you too dinamita

dinamita you ahve an excellant list but have afew mistakes but except that good

trampie you spent an enourmous time doing a top 400 and i respect that of course with 400 names you will make afew mistakes but it is excellant list mostly both of yours are

so stop arguing

His list sucks.

It's not even like he ran out of names and chucked random laughable fuckers in at the end, right from the start it's appalling.

And you respect him for doing a top 400?

He needs a social life. He needs to get laid badly.

[GPater11093]

sure his list is abit shoddy but i reckon if nayone made a top 400 it would be abit shaky

albeit his first few arnt so great but it is his opinion

also trampie you have too much tim eon your hands lol

[trampie]

Forumites, particularly DINAMITA and to a lesser extent Tommy V,
The IBRO is the closest thing we have to a 'definative' list, which has been compiled by a large group of boxing writers and historians, their P4P list, that is on the net, was compiled September 2006, so it is fairly up to date, so lets compare mine and DINAMITA's list against the IBRO'S list.

Experts trampie DINAMITA
SRR 0 0
Greb 2 places out 1 place out
Armstrong 1 place out 1 place out
Louis 5 places out 17 places out
Ali 4 places out 2 places out
Langford 3 places out 4 places out
Duran 2 places out 0
B.Leonard 2 places out 5 places out
Pep 1 place out 3 places out
Fitzsimmons 2 places out 4 places out
Gans 2 places out 11 places out
Charles 1 place out 7 places out
Ray Leonard 1 place out 2 places out
Wilde 7 places out 15 places out
Joffre 3 places out 8 places out
Walker 0 8 places out
Monzon 0 8 places out
Dempsey 14 places out 79 places out
J Johnson 1 place out 37 places out
Tunney 1 place out 3 places out

I have ended up 52 places out compared to IBRO's top 20 list and
DINAMITA has ended up 215 places out compared to IBRO's top 20 list

I had it smack on 3 times compared to DINAMITA 2 times.
I was only 1 place out 6 times, DINAMITA was 1 place out 2 times.

IBRO's next top 10, places 21-30, I have 6 of them in my 21-30 list,
DINAMITA has only 2 boxers in the 21-30 slot the same as the IBRO.

So there you have it, my list is reasonably close to the 'experts' list,
DINAMITA's list just does not compare to the boxing 'experts' list.

[trampie]

TommyV can i ask you a question, are you a pen pal of DINAMITA, as he mentioned to me before that he has a lot of friends on here that email him in private, are you one of his friends ?

[TommyV]

Originally Posted by trampie

Forumites, particularly DINAMITA and to a lesser extent Tommy V,
The IBRO is the closest thing we have to a 'definative' list, which has been compiled by a large group of boxing writers and historians, their P4P list, that is on the net, was compiled September 2006, so it is fairly up to date, so lets compare mine and DINAMITA's list against the IBRO'S list.

Experts trampie DINAMITA
SRR 0 0
Greb 2 places out 1 place out
Armstrong 1 place out 1 place out
Louis 5 places out 17 places out
Ali 4 places out 2 places out
Langford 3 places out 4 places out
Duran 2 places out 0
B.Leonard 2 places out 5 places out
Pep 1 place out 3 places out
Fitzsimmons 2 places out 4 places out
Gans 2 places out 11 places out
Charles 1 place out 7 places out
Ray Leonard 1 place out 2 places out
Wilde 7 places out 15 places out
Joffre 3 places out 8 places out
Walker 0 8 places out
Monzon 0 8 places out
Dempsey 14 places out 79 places out
J Johnson 1 place out 37 places out
Tunney 1 place out 3 places out

I have ended up 52 places out compared to IBRO's top 20 list and
DINAMITA has ended up 215 places out compared to IBRO's top 20 list

I had it smack on 3 times compared to DINAMITA 2 times.
I was only 1 place out 6 times, DINAMITA was 1 place out 2 times.

IBRO's next top 10, places 21-30, I have 6 of them in my 21-30 list,
DINAMITA has only 2 boxers in the 21-30 slot the same as the IBRO.

So there you have it, my list is reasonably close to the 'experts' list,
DINAMITA's list just does not compare to the boxing 'experts' list.

So you're list is based mainly on other 'experts' lists.

Most of those so called experts suck.

If you can find it anywhere, look at McGrain's list of top 55.

Was a while ago, but was a quality list. And see how crap your top 55 is compared to that.

Originally Posted by trampie

TommyV can i ask you a question, are you a pen pal of DINAMITA, as he mentioned to me before that he has a lot of friends on here that email him in private, are you one of his friends ?

No.

[trampie]

[quote=trampie;3472677]DINAMITA, can you tell the forum why you do not have =
George Dixon, Parkey McFarland, Jim Driscoll,Freddie Welsh and Jim Jeffries in your top 100 ?

Packey McFarland had 104 fights in his career and lost just one, he beat Jack Britton #47 on your list twice and 1 draw, the boxrec report for one of their fights says Packey won every round accept one whch was even, Packey also had wins over Welsh, Kilbane and Britt.

George Dixon was the first black World boxing champion, ranked by Nat Fleischer as the #1 All Time greatest bantamweight.

Jim Jeffries fought in the most famous fight ever against Jack Johnson, Jeffries KO Fitzsimmons #14 on your list, not once but twice he also beat James J Corbett, Sharkey and Peter Jackson.

Freddie Welsh had a win over Benny Leonard #13 on your list, as well as wins over Ad Wolgast, Johnny Dundee, Jim Driscoll and Willie Ritchie, Ritchie is another one that does not make your list.

Jim Driscoll beat Abe Attell winning every round, he also beat George Dixon 3 times, oh i have just realised you have not got Abe Attell in your top 100 either ???

You obviously know nothing about the history of boxing !!!!

The silence is deafening DINAMITA, i will be forced to publish the above quote on any relevant future posts regarding ATG lists, unless you either admit a very large 'GAP IN YOUR KNOWLEDGE' or give reasons for ignoring the above boxers.

The choice is yours -
1] Refuse to give an answer, and continually get the quote when applicable.
2] Admit making a mistake.
3] Give reasons why the 5 boxers are not top 100.

You was initially rude towards me, then after letting yourself down by being crude about Joe Calzaghe's sister you threatened to withdraw your membership of this site, i told you dont be silly there is no need for that,
but you continue to be rude to myself, instead of passing constructive criticism of my ATG list, you are just abusive and nasty, i cant let you get away with that, so i will have to retaliate. If you sabotage my posts with nastiness, i will be forced to do the same to your posts.

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