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Old 02-20-2009, 09:32 PM   #61
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Trampie, your list is shit. The condemnation has been universal. Writing essay after essay directed solely at me is not going to change so many peoples' opinions on your list. It's rubbish. Your rating of Jack Dempsey alone confirms this, but there are so many many many other amateurish and unjustifiable placings.

Joe Calzaghe over 350 places above Juan Manuel Marquez?

Back to the drawing board for you (or preferably not in fact, you're desperate enough as it is with this shoddy attempt).

Fail.
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Old 02-20-2009, 09:36 PM   #62
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PS: Still waiting for an explanation on the inclusion of William Joppy at 143rd which, after SEVERE criticism, you then changed by removing Joppy completely from a TOP FOUR HUNDRED.

Worst list placing in the history of ESB, and destroys your credibility that you removed him after being shot down in FLAMES for such an idiotic decision in the first place.
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Old 02-20-2009, 09:42 PM   #63
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Jacky what weight did she fight at ?

I may have listed Jack Blackburn too high, he has losses against Gans, Philly Jack O'Brien and Kid Norfolk, his best win seems to be against Dave Holly.

Wait a minute, are you saying Jackie should be ranked higher ?
He is probably 150 places too high.
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Old 02-20-2009, 09:51 PM   #64
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Calzaghe under Spinks and basically anyone else, including relative mediocrity like Ali?
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Old 02-21-2009, 05:44 AM   #65
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cool list...DRMULLEN s fav mini warrior of them all..lbflb ROBERTO DURAN
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Old 02-21-2009, 06:09 AM   #66
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Jesus ****ing christ.
I agree with this.
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Old 02-21-2009, 09:09 AM   #67
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de la hoya 30 odd places above pacquiao wtf
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Old 02-21-2009, 09:32 AM   #68
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you can have ODLH 30 places higher than Pac

ODLH has done way mor ethan Pac just now
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Old 02-21-2009, 09:38 AM   #69
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you can have ODLH 30 places higher than Pac

ODLH has done way mor ethan Pac just now
Not as great afighter as him, really not imo.
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Old 02-21-2009, 09:41 AM   #70
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whos not as great ODLH>pac

or pac>ODLH

im confused teeto
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Old 02-21-2009, 09:50 AM   #71
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whos not as great ODLH>pac

or pac>ODLH

im confused teeto
Oh sorry! I'll try and be clear what i mean, i do think that Pac is likely greater than Oscar, but that is possibly debatable in terms of greatness, like resume i mean. But that's not really what i meant, i was just saying that Pacquiao for me is a greater fighter, i meant more like he at his best is better than Oscar, no doubt in my mind to be honest. Whenever the Oscar thing comes up i always come to this, when you analyse their fighting/boxing/whatever, i really wouldn't take Oscar over any of the real elite level guys in history at his best weight, 147 imo. But Pacquiao belongs in the company of the best guys in and around his weight classes imo, sure there are some who people would take to school him, Pep etc, but for me that's stylistic and not a measure of greatness in h2h terms.

I know you meant Oscar better than Pac n greatness terms and not h2h, so maybe my comments wer mis-placed, but i just wanted to give an opinion on Oscar-Pac, for me Oscar tried to trick people into thinking he was at the highest level of skill, i dont believe this moreso as time has passed than ever.
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Old 02-21-2009, 09:51 AM   #72
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The first thing i did was scan for Greg Page. With him not there i could go no further.
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Old 02-21-2009, 06:20 PM   #73
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Its official DINAMITA's list is CRAP

Not only does my list check out against the IBRO's lists better than DINAMITA's but my list also checks out better than DINAMITA'S list against two of ESB 'Gods' lists, I have traced the 'Zeus' of the ESB forum, sweet_scientists top 100 list and also a disciple of sweet_scientist, McGrain's top 100 list.

I compared mine and DINAMITA's top 100 against sweet_scientist and McGrain's top 100 and this is what i found :-

I had 11 boxers in my top 100 that was not in sweet_scientist's top 100.
DINAMITA had 20 boxers in his top 100 that was not in sweet_scientists top 100.

I had 20 boxers not in McGrain's top 100, DINAMITA had 20 boxers not in McGrains top 100.

I was advised by TommyV to check out McGrains list, when i found it, McGrain gave and i quote ''a special thanks to Sweet Scientist'', Sweet Scientist had given McGrain suggestions for his list.

So there we have it, a lesson for a lot of people on this thread just because DINAMITA has done over 7000 posts and i have done only 200 and DINAMITA is aggressive and opinionated, it does not mean he is right, do not follow his lead like sheep as you will look as foolish as he does now ?

I am no expert but i knew my list was not 'shit' as it checked out better than DINAMITA's list against IBRO's list,
but thanks to TommyV i now know my list checks out better than DINAMITA's list compared to sweet_scientist's list and is on a par with DINAMITA's list compared to McGrain's list .

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Old 02-21-2009, 06:23 PM   #74
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I havent really looked and am not taking sides or anything, but i think the placement of fighters within the list has more to do with it than simply alike fighters that are in the list.
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Old 02-21-2009, 06:45 PM   #75
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sweet_scientist has Packey McFarland at #37
McGrain has Packey McFarland #57
trampie has Packey McFarland #43
DINAMITA does not have Packey McFarland in his top 100

sweet_scientist has Jim Driscoll at #36
McGrain has Jim Driscoll at #69
trampie has Jim Driscoll at #45
DINAMITA does not have Jim Driscoll in his top 100

sweet_scientist has George Dixon at #49
McGrain has George Dixon at #31
trampie has George Dixon at #35
DINAMITA does not have George Dixon in his top 100

sweet_scientist has Abe Attell at #71
McGrain has Abe Attell at #56
trampie has Abe Attell at #65
DINAMITA does not have Abe Attell in his top 100

sweet_scientist has Beau Jack at #85
McGrain has Beau Jack at #81
trampie has Beau Jack at #78
DINAMITA does not have Beau Jack in his top 100

Some of these boxers are top 50 ATG, not boxers in the 90's that may just miss the top 100 cut on some lists ?
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