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Old 08-19-2007, 03:48 AM   #31
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"The prosecution believed the murder of bartender Jim Oliver and two of his patrons, were revenge for an earlier slaying that evening of a black bartender by a white man. The black bartender, Leroy Holloway, was the stepfather of one of Carter's friends. This friend, Ed Rawls, was seen together with Carter in the hours before the murders."
The evidence against Carter was flimsy at best, the evidence against Artis was laughable.

Rather than watching the mediocre at best movie; I suggest you read the more balanced and more engrossing book 'Hurricane; The life of Rubin Carter, fighter.'
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Old 08-19-2007, 04:18 AM   #32
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Davey Hilton-Sick bastard
Abe Attell-Cheating bastard
Ike Ibeabuchi-Crazy bastard
James Toney-Loud mouthed,classless,steroid filled bastard
Tony Ayala-Evil bastard
James Butler-See above bastard
Naseem Hamed-****y bastard
Billy Papke-Mean bastard
Clifford Etienne-Crack head,thug bastard
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Old 08-19-2007, 06:58 AM   #33
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The evidence against Carter was flimsy at best, the evidence against Artis was laughable.

Rather than watching the mediocre at best movie; I suggest you read the more balanced and more engrossing book 'Hurricane; The life of Rubin Carter, fighter.'

I suggest you read newspaper articles instead. Carter's one lucky man.
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Old 08-19-2007, 07:03 AM   #34
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I've heard stories that George Foreman is really a prick underneath his smiling, jovial personality. I actually met George once at a shopping mall where he was hawking his grilling machines. He seemed nice enough, but you could definately tell he was interested in making sales and making money.

He hardly qualifies as a 'complete bastard', a man who devoted much of his time to God and is liked by almost everyone who met him (apart from jealous, classless buffoons like Larry Holmes). Even Ali said, in 1975, that he didn't understand why Foreman acts all broody and mean and doesn't speak to the press when he's a nice guy underneath.
Who's your other choice: Earnie Shavers?
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Old 08-19-2007, 07:03 AM   #35
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I suggest you read newspaper articles instead. Carter's one lucky man.
Newspapers tend to have agenda's one way or another. Just because Carter was not the nicest person in the world, indeed he comes across as a 'complete bastard' sometimes, does not mean he should be stiched up for murder.

The documents and evidence in the case were not enough to convict Carter, at least not in Britain.
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Old 08-19-2007, 07:07 AM   #36
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Newspapers tend to have agenda's one way or another.

Ha ha, and books called 'Hurricane.....' don't?
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Old 08-19-2007, 07:09 AM   #37
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Ray Robinson was indeed a total prick, from absolutely everything I've read.


People tell you 'Jump off that skyscraper', and you jump. Moron.
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People tell you 'Jump off that skyscraper', and you jump. Moron.

So it's all lies is it. Did you know Ray did you?
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Old 08-19-2007, 07:14 AM   #39
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The evidence against Carter was flimsy at best, the evidence against Artis was laughable.

Rather than watching the mediocre at best movie; I suggest you read the more balanced and more engrossing book 'Hurricane; The life of Rubin Carter, fighter.'
As for the murder convictions: meh.

But he was a nasty peice of work as it stands. I once read he told Grifith: You are a like a woman who wants to be raped.

Very interesting choice of words that.
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Old 08-19-2007, 07:15 AM   #40
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i've heard bob foster isnt too cool

There's a story that he stopped his wife for speeding and gave her a ticket.

Surely that isn't to be held against him?
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Old 08-19-2007, 07:17 AM   #41
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He was even accused of assault when he was out on bail but the old 'mysteriously dropped' chestnut emerged. The poor girl probably had her life threatened. Then again, she's bound to be lying, as was the witness who said he was bribed not to testify- he was obviously lying too. Everyone was, except Carter.
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Old 08-19-2007, 07:18 AM   #42
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There's a story that he stopped his wife for speeding and gave her a ticket.

Surely that isn't to be held against him?


Ha ha, classic. Hope he made her pay with her money.
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Old 08-19-2007, 07:41 AM   #43
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Ha ha, and books called 'Hurricane.....' don't?
Of course, every bit of press concerning the Carter case seemed to have an agenda, every document in the case had an agenda, anyone who knows the story has their own spin on it. But what is true, is the conviction was unsafe, (hence the retrial) and the conviction would of been less likely to of happened in other States and countries.
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Old 08-19-2007, 07:42 AM   #44
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The evidence against Carter was flimsy at best, the evidence against Artis was laughable.

Rather than watching the mediocre at best movie; I suggest you read the more balanced and more engrossing book 'Hurricane; The life of Rubin Carter, fighter.'
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Lamotta
Robinson
Ayala Jr.
Foreman ( pre-boxing)
Tyson
Liston
Lyle
Graziano( pre-boxing)
Ibeabuchi
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There are a lot of them who were bad people who say boxing saved them for the most part,and some that it didnt save
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