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Old 03-19-2011, 01:12 PM   #1396
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Old 03-19-2011, 02:21 PM   #1397
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Old 03-19-2011, 05:29 PM   #1398
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Old 03-19-2011, 07:40 PM   #1399
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Rigo destroyed Casey in one round.
Solis was good for 2 and a half minute and got hit on the side of the head, he got a knee injury on the way to the canvas and the ref stopped it.
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Old 03-21-2011, 08:07 AM   #1400
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It was great for the irish people to get to see rigo in action again!!
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Old 03-21-2011, 11:12 AM   #1401
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Rigondeux was devastating and I think this trip to Ireland was the perfect promotional outing to restore his profile. Hope he can now go straight back onto American television in high profile bouts and achieve the profession recognition his talent promises. Good luck to him and hard luck Willie Casey, you heart and courage were never in doubt, hope you can come again in whatever you choose to do.
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Old 03-21-2011, 09:19 PM   #1402
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For the third time in a month Luis Ortiz is supposed to fight, every time the date is changed and no names (just TBA) mentioned.
Please give him an interesting name to fight !!!!!!
He is already WBC number 20.
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Old 03-22-2011, 07:53 AM   #1403
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Rigondeaux isn’t the emotional type. However, when he returned to his hotel after the fight, he was greeted by a gracious crowd of Irish admirers that touched him.
“When we got back to the hotel, there were a lot of people there,” Shields said. “Everyone was screaming his name. ‘Rigondeaux! Rigondeaux! Rigondeaux!’ I know that made him feel good; you could see it on his face.
“The guy is from Cuba and he’s fighting in Ireland against a guy from there. Still, they gave him that reception. It was spectacular.”
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Old 03-22-2011, 12:53 PM   #1404
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It is a shame that he defected so late, still I think he has the tools and if fights 4 or 5 times a year (winning) against the top fighters in his div, he could stamp his name on the HOF.
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Old 03-22-2011, 01:27 PM   #1405
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Well done to Rigo, went into a hostile crowd and blew away his opponent. There's no stopping the guy, just hope he gets big fights and isn't ducked.
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Old 03-22-2011, 01:44 PM   #1406
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Yeah he was a class act and a privilege to see him in the flesh. What a fantastic boxer.
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Old 03-22-2011, 01:47 PM   #1407
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“When we got back to the hotel, there were a lot of people there,” Shields said. “Everyone was screaming his name. ‘Rigondeaux! Rigondeaux! Rigondeaux!’ I know that made him feel good; you could see it on his face. The guy is from Cuba and he’s fighting in Ireland against a guy from there. Still, they gave him that reception. It was spectacular.”
That's very nice of the Irish fans, they are class acts!
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More after-fight quotes.

RIGONDEAUX: Were you surprised how easy it was?
Not at all - I knew it would be. For sure I wanted to finish it because he had the home crowd and luckily my knockout came.
You knew he was hurt... That body shot is one of my favourite punches. That’s how I knock out everybody - so I knew he was going to get hurt. I knew he looked at my video so I knew that he knew he would be getting that.
Your best day ever at the office?: No - I've had better days!
How far can you go?: I’m the champ, you can send me to Europe, Canada, I’ll fight anywhere. I’m a road warrior.


His manager Gary Hyde:
I could see him coming here (Ireland) again, maybe next year. But last Wednesday I was asked would we fight Nonito Donaire but I said wait let us get over this fight first. They said: ‘Jesus I never heard you being so negative.’ I wasn’t being negative.
I knew this guy Rigo was fighting was different to the other fighters around the world. All I was afraid of was that the Bernard Dunne who turned up to fight Cordoba would show up. Luckily for us that didn’t happen.
That’s the guy I have, he’s a pound-for-pound fighter. You see the way he dispatched of Willie and he’s a hard, tough young fella. And he just walked through him and took him apart.
The minute he sensed the blood it was all over. It was just ‘when do we jump into the ring?’

RONNIE SHIELDS:
Now he’s adapting as a pro. This was his eighth fight. He wants to clean out 122, clean out 126, clean out 130 then he’ll retire.
You seen it. Casey’s a good fighter. He’s not the best fighter in the world but he’s good. But Rigo destroyed him.
Any time you come into someone’s country, and you have the skillset Rigondeaux has, you have to use it. Take the crowd out of the fight right away.
You know the way Casey fights, he’s a come forward guy. And the minute he stepped back I know everyone said: Uh-oh. And then it was just a matter of time.
Rigo is a puncher. And he’s a boxer, he can do both. A lot of guys are going to hav to contend with that real soon. Trust me, they’re ducking him out there.
Nobody’s going to beat this guy. I have real confidence in this guy and he has even more confidence in himself.
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That's very nice of the Irish fans, they are class acts!
and some people say rigo doesnt smile...

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The Cuban Conundrum
Wed 23-Mar-2011 14:21

Phillips Arena

By Steve Kim

On Saturday night, WBA/IBF featherweight titlist Yuriorkis Gamboa faces Jorge Solis at the Boardwalk Hall in Atlantic City, New Jersey. This fight, which headlines the most recent installment of HBO’s “Boxing After Dark” isn’t taking place in the big room but at the Phillips Arena, which seats 3,000 patrons. The reason is simple- Top Rank, which is promoting this event, are realists. They know that for as talented as Gamboa is, like many other Cuban fighters, he doesn’t sell an abundance of tickets.

That’s the Cuban conundrum. For all their natural ability, they simply don’t resonate with the general populace in America.

"No question about it," said Bob Arum, who points out, "They can’t even really draw with the Cuban population, so it’s a problem. But you gotta get guys who are very exciting, who don’t fight stinkin’ like some of the Cubans do but fight like Gamboa, who is very, very exciting. And eventually, they’ll pick up interest with all the boxing fans and then...y’ know, it is what it is. It’s limited. It’ll never be a [Manny] Pacquiao or that kind of thing but we can put him in a lot of fights where he makes really good money and we know what we’re dealing with there. Of course, there’s a big money fight with ’JuanMa’ Lopez down the road."

This card will be a sell-out but not necessarily because of the presence of Gamboa. The undercard bout between Teon Kennedy and Jorge Diaz (who both hail from the local region) and a four-rounder with the Baltimore Ravens’ Tommy Zbikowski have sold a good number of tickets, according to Top Rank officials. The secret here is to place Gamboa with other boxers who can put asses in seats.



"100 percent correct," said Arum. "If we had him on a main event and we didn’t have attractions underneath, then there would be nobody there. But we, unlike some of the other promoters we’ve seen, they don’t have a guy who’s an attraction; they don’t surround him with attractions. We’ve done that."

To a certain degree, at least to the live audience, Gamboa is a high-priced walk-out bout.

"We put the Kennedy-Diaz fight, that sold a sh*tload of tickets. There’s [Matt] Remillard, who’s fighting Mikey Garcia, he’s bringing a lot of people and ‘Tommy Z,’ he caps it off. There’s a really, really big number of fans coming from the Baltimore area, including the newspaper (the Baltimore Sun). When have they ever covered a fight?" asked Arum, rhetorically. For many years, Arum stayed away from the Cubans but recently, he has dipped his toe into Havana with the likes of Gamboa and Guillermo Rigondeaux.

"And we also partnered up with Ahmet Oner on Odlanier Solis, because we thought there was an upside with these guys," added the veteran promoter, "but it’s very, very difficult. It’s very difficult; let’s be honest about it because there’s a big Cuban population in Miami but they’re different kinds of Cubans. They’re white Cubans that fled and these are black Cubans that were left behind and now have defected and the white Cubans got away from boxing and the only guy that ever drew with those Cubans in Miami years ago was [Alexis] Arguello. We did that fight [against Aaron Pryor] in the Orange Bowl."

Boxing attorney Leon Margules has perhaps the most unique viewpoint on this issue. Not only is he a resident of Miami but before becoming the president of Warriors Boxing, for nearly a decade he was the President of “Team Freedom,” which handled the first wave of Cuban defectors, including the likes of Joel Casamayor, Diosbelys Hurtado and Ramon Garbey. As it relates to the struggles of boxing in the 305, Margules states, "I don’t think it’s boxing; I think South Florida is a tough market for anything in general. It’s the reason that Los Angeles lost its NFL teams- it’s a superstar driven market with transients, where everybody is looking for the biggest thing in town and the Marlins don’t draw unless they win the World Series. The Heat didn’t draw till they brought the ‘Three Kings’ [Dwyane Wade, LeBron James and Chris Bosh] to town; the Dolphins don’t draw when they don’t win the Super Bowl or they’re in the playoffs. The ‘Canes don’t draw unless they’re undefeated or going to a major bowl game.

"And the Cubans don’t come out unless they got a superstar on their hands. There was some support for Hurtado. There was some support for Gamboa. There was some support for Casamayor but other than that, Cubans don’t draw either."

Beyond that, there is also this issue; for the résumés and pedigrees many of these Cubans have, their styles don’t necessarily translate into the professional ranks. In short, what worked so well boxing for medals- scoring points and then protecting the lead by running around the ring- works against their marketability as pros. Yes, while it’s effective, it’s often times not very entertaining. It can win you plenty of fights but it may not win you many fans.

This was certainly the case for Rigondeaux who put on a dreadfully dull performance on the Manny Pacquiao-Antonio Margarito undercard in Dallas in front of a worldwide audience this past November. He lost in winning a decision over Ricardo Cordoba. Arum said last week, "He certainly didn’t help himself and we’re going to have to work with putting him on the Fox Sports Deportes shows, assuming he does OK in Ireland. Because if I went, for example, to HBO to sell him in a fight, I mean, I shot my mouth off when he was fighting in Dallas. ’He’s the next great thing’ and I was embarrassed. So I got no chance to sell Rigondeaux to HBO after that performance in Dallas."

This past weekend in Ireland (which is where Rigondeaux was exiled to by Top Rank), he emphatically stopped the overmatched Willie “Not So Mighty” Casey in one round. Rigondeaux is trained by the respected Ronnie Shields, who, as a young apprentice, came up under the watchful eye of George Benton (who believed in “looking good tomorrow but just winning tonight”). But today’s business of boxing is a bit of a beauty contest. It helps to have a bit of style and flair with all that substance.

"Absolutely," said Shields. "That’s one of the things we talked about. We talked about at the beginning of this camp. You’ve got to understand, this is only my third camp with him and the first fight I had him for two weeks. The second fight, I had eight weeks and after the showing against Cordoba, he didn’t impress anybody. But I told him he was too good of a fighter to get out there and look the way he did in Dallas. That was just unacceptable and I told him, ’Look, man, in boxing, in order to make money in this sport, you’ve got to be a guy everybody wants to see.’ That’s hands down and I made that point to him and I said, ’Look, you’ve got to have a faster start. As strong as you are, you can knock anybody out in one or two rounds. You’ve got to get out there and put punches together and just gotta get out there and do it.’ And he said, ’OK, I’m going to do it. That’s what it takes; that’s what I’m going to do.’"

The need to be explosive and exciting is probably more heightened for Cubans. For one, they don’t draw particularly well. If that’s the case, unless you’re aligned with the likes of Al Haymon, you can become persona non grata to the likes of HBO if you put on too many “agony fights.”

Shields also trains Erislandy Lara (who, after just 15 bouts under his belt, is already a bona fide contender at 154) and has passed along the same message to him. But he reasons that the transformation will take time. "See, people don’t understand the transition these guys got to make," said Shields, who points out that Rigondeaux has only eight pro fights to his credit. "They have a system in Cuba and it’s a great amateur system but it’s all they know and to try to change them to being something else, it’s not going to happen overnight. It takes time but I think both of these guys got it now. I honestly do."

Margules and his company are staging this week’s edition of “Friday Night Fights” on ESPN2 from the Cosmopolitan in Las Vegas, which is co-headlined by Lara and fellow Cuban Yudel Jhonson. In the past, their predecessors have been plagued by a lack of discipline (you could call it the “Full Refrigerator Syndrome”) or simply couldn’t make the full adjustment to the American lifestyle. Some were simply built to be amateurs. But Margules believes that the newer generation of Cubans will have more success in the paid ranks.

"I think this wave of Cubans are much better than the prior waves- and not necessarily in terms of one star because Joel Casamayor was certainly a great fighter- but in terms of the overall depth," he opined. "There are a lot of Cuban guys that might pan out; you never know."
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