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Old 08-23-2007, 06:43 PM   #31
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yes thats me.......i got it in december and yeah i am a die hard fan.....nice to meet u though i have heard good things
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Old 08-23-2007, 08:40 PM   #32
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Earnie Shavers wasn't mediocre. He was a very good fighter, he just had stamina and chin issues which is why he lost quite a bit of his fights.
If he didn't nail you he was actually quite mediocre. There wasn't a whole lot of things that Shavers could do besides punch with that right.
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Old 08-23-2007, 08:41 PM   #33
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If he didn't nail you he was actually quite mediocre. There wasn't a whole lot of things that Shavers could do besides punch with that right.
He was a world class fighter that nearly stopped Larry Holmes. Far from mediocre.
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Old 08-23-2007, 08:50 PM   #34
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If he didn't nail you he was actually quite mediocre. There wasn't a whole lot of things that Shavers could do besides punch with that right.
You don't go 15 close rounds with Muhammad Ali, and 23 rounds with Holmes being mediocre. Shavers was a good fighter caught up in the wrong era. He'd be the champion now. He would have been one of the elites in the 90's.
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Old 08-23-2007, 10:55 PM   #35
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ok so i'l be the lone voice shouting in the wilderness..bruno wasnt mediocre.....
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Old 08-24-2007, 03:22 AM   #36
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wow!i cant believe you consider shavers mediocre.i do believe his name would be mentioned in a "greatest fighters of all time" conversation. Pontius i know youre a smarter boxing historian than that.
FWIT I agree with him. If Shavers wasn't mediocre how come he wasn't able to get further on his power? In world class terms, which is what we are talking about, Shavers was as an overall package mediocre. Against clubfighters and shopworn contenders he excelled. Whenever he stepped up in class he invariably lost. At this level that equals medicore IMO. Put it this way, if Shavers had been an average puncher how many fights would he have won?
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Old 08-24-2007, 04:47 AM   #37
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wow!i cant believe you consider shavers mediocre.i do believe his name would be mentioned in a "greatest fighters of all time" conversation. Pontius i know youre a smarter boxing historian than that.
Believing Shavers would be mentioned in a greatest fighters of all time convo in the way you insinuate makes Chris' mediocre statement pale in comparison. The only way Earnie is getting mentioned in such light is if Ali or Holmes are brought up.
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Old 08-24-2007, 06:43 AM   #38
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Ernie Shavers.
Shavers was very limited, with stamina, and when he moved up in class, he lost, his KD over Holmes and stop of Norton(who was Ko'd a few times) were his best, he has one shot power but was not known to take it well, I had ringside for Ellis and Quarry and Ali and if Earnie could not punch, he couldn,t not do much else
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Old 08-24-2007, 06:54 AM   #39
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He was a world class fighter that nearly stopped Larry Holmes. Far from mediocre.
Great PUNCHER Muchmoore, great PUNCHER, not a great FIGHTER!!!!
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Old 08-24-2007, 07:00 AM   #40
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[quote=Bill1234]You don't go 15 close rounds with Muhammad Ali, and 23 rounds with Holmes being mediocre. Shavers was a good fighter caught up in the wrong era. He'd be the champion now. He would have been one of the elites in the 90's.[/quote
It was only because of the comparative lack of punching power of Ali and Holmes that he lasted as long as he did with them. His big punch is the only thing he had. Jerry Quarry is typical of the guy who could punch and had a chin who would have feasted on Shavers. Ron Lyle is another. Sonny Liston or George Foreman would have ko'd him, etc.,, He had a great chance against guys who were intimidated by power, like Ken Norton. Of course he could take out guys with that great big right hand, but don't confuse that with being a great fighter.
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Old 08-24-2007, 07:06 AM   #41
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Old 08-24-2007, 08:27 AM   #42
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You don't go 15 close rounds with Muhammad Ali, and 23 rounds with Holmes being mediocre. Shavers was a good fighter caught up in the wrong era. He'd be the champion now. He would have been one of the elites in the 90's.
Rudi Lubbers went 12 with a much, much better version of Ali.

But wouldn't you say he's mediocre?


I could say exactly the same thing about a Holmes opponent, say, Rodriguez, but then you'd probably say he was the next big thing, or that Larry found out one week before the fight that he had to fight the feared Rodriguez for the heavyweight championship!
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Old 08-24-2007, 09:13 AM   #43
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Old 08-24-2007, 11:29 AM   #44
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Hmm mr.magoo and ChrisPontius a new ESB rivalry? The new Red Rooster vs JT?
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Old 08-24-2007, 11:30 AM   #45
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James Smith (Bonecrusher) comes to mind
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