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Old 08-26-2007, 09:31 PM   #1
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Default Is there a LHW who would have stood a chance with Tyson?

If so, who?

And if your answer is no, explain why many great heavyweights (Louis, Liston, Dempsey etc) are vulnerable to LHW challenges but Tyson was not?

1 - Ali
2 - Louis
3 - Liston
4 - Johnson
5 - Lewis
6 - Frazier
7 - Jeffries
8 - Hollyfield
9 - Tyson
0 - Holmes.

This is my top ten heavyweights.
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Old 08-26-2007, 09:41 PM   #2
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I might give Tunney the advantage over post Prison Tyson.

Beautiful footwork to stay away from the much slower than he was in his prime Tyson (Look at how he kept away from Dempsey) great recovery powers, solid enough power, beautiful mind for boxing, willpower...

I wouldn't give him an overwhelming majority, and I doubt he could take a majority over prime Tyson... But post Prison Tyson... Maybe.
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Old 08-26-2007, 10:25 PM   #3
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Default Re: Is there a LHW who would have stood a chance with Tyson?

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If so, who?

And if your answer is no, explain why many great heavyweights (Louis, Liston, Dempsey etc) are vulnerable to LHW challenges but Tyson was not?

1 - Ali
2 - Louis
3 - Liston
4 - Johnson
5 - Lewis
6 - Frazier
7 - Jeffries
8 - Hollyfield
9 - Tyson
0 - Holmes.

This is my top ten heavyweights.
Liston too high on your list, and Holmes not high enough. Tyson is doing very well squeezing into your top 10.
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Old 08-26-2007, 10:45 PM   #4
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Default Re: Is there a LHW who would have stood a chance with Tyson?

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If so, who?

And if your answer is no, explain why many great heavyweights (Louis, Liston, Dempsey etc) are vulnerable to LHW challenges but Tyson was not?

1 - Ali
2 - Louis
3 - Liston
4 - Johnson
5 - Lewis
6 - Frazier
7 - Jeffries
8 - Hollyfield
9 - Tyson
0 - Holmes.

This is my top ten heavyweights.
No Foreman, Marciano or Dempsey ?
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Old 08-26-2007, 10:56 PM   #5
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No Foreman, Marciano or Dempsey ?
11 Dempsey
12 Foreman
13 Marciano

As you ask...
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Old 08-26-2007, 11:00 PM   #6
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Liston too high on your list, and Holmes not high enough. Tyson is doing very well squeezing into your top 10.
Shouldn't have put my list in there, just going to get a load of questions about it and less responses to the original topic! I guess I did it to show that I pick no LHW over Tyson myself but I'm not a Tyson nut hugger.

But I do pick LHW's over Louis etc.

I see very few HW's beating Liston. In fact I think he'd beat more guys from an ATG HW list than an ATG LHW list...maybe.

Holmes, I think I probably do underestimate him a bit, but it's my list and there you go...
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Old 08-27-2007, 03:20 AM   #7
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No, there's not.
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Old 08-27-2007, 03:21 AM   #8
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Default Re: Is there a LHW who would have stood a chance with Tyson?

As Flabby Gut said, Tyson had that speed which was the killer. Most light heavyweights use their illusiveness and guile to beat the bigger, slower heavyweight, but Tyson had that amazing handspeed that nullified the smaller man's advantages.

I'm not saying that no light heavy in history stood a chance, but he'd have to be a great man fighting a great fight and Tyson would have to be in less than great condition.
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Old 08-27-2007, 06:43 AM   #9
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I think it is theoreticaly posible even on the night he beat Spinks.

It would require a light heavyweight of exceptional speed, durability and defensive guile who wantes it really really badly. They would have to fight to survive for the first few rounds and then worry about scoring later.

One name who I would put forward as a possible is Gene Tunney. The cruiseweight version especialy would have a fighting chance.

Incidentaly do they have to weigh in at under 175 lbs?
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Old 08-27-2007, 06:49 AM   #10
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No, there's not.

What about the other part of the question JT?
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Old 08-27-2007, 06:51 AM   #11
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One name who I would put forward as a possible is Gene Tunney. The cruiseweight version especialy would have a fighting chance.
I think Gene would get blasted out Janitor; not even he can back up more quickly than Tyson would come on. And what other plan is there for him?

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No, no. Tyson comes in at his best, Berbick or Spinks as you say. Your LHW can come in at any weight he pleases.
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Old 08-27-2007, 07:29 AM   #12
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I think Gene would get blasted out Janitor; not even he can back up more quickly than Tyson would come on. And what other plan is there for him?
I don't think he would be. Tunney studied his oponents, somtimes over a period of years before he fought them and was as cool as a cucumber. He would analyse Tysons weakneses and see them all. One factor that would not be lost on him is that Tyson lacked a suite of infighting skills and was easy to tie up.

Tunneys plan would be to not let Tyson do what he wanted. He would not let Tyson jump him early and would try to make it into a distence fight.

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No, no. Tyson comes in at his best, Berbick or Spinks as you say. Your LHW can come in at any weight he pleases.
This makes Tunneys job significantly easier. He matured into a full blown cruiserweight of 190 lbs and had the frame to carry 200+. At this weight he would probably be able to neutralize Tyson in the clinches over the early rounds.
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Old 08-27-2007, 07:32 AM   #13
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Prime Tyson - none.
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Old 08-27-2007, 07:42 AM   #14
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Default Re: Is there a LHW who would have stood a chance with Tyson?

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What about the other part of the question JT?

Ok. Tyson lost nothing on speed to light heavyweights, his hand speed is fantastic.

Tyson had an excellent defense to say the least at his best and it was a defense based arounf forward movement. Bad news.

Tyson's chin is granite when it comes to the chances of a light heavyweight stopping him. Light heavies will simply not have enough to deter him or gain enough respect.

Tyson's power is going to be hell to guys that are natural 175'ers, Spinks had a damn fine chin at light heavy.

At his best Tyson's speed of foot, pure aggression and ability to cut off the ring is going to be murder on a lighter guy trying to survive early.

Last but sure not least, Tyson is a fantastic body puncher at his greatest, enormous power, doesn't forget to go there and often has open targets due to his extreme fight ending danger upstairs.

In short - Tyson is hell on earth to these guys. All of them. People can argue and bring up the glory days all they like but these guys simply aren't going to be able to take Tyson out. He sin't going to respect them either. Joe Louis had his troubles at times vs fleet footed lighter boxers who happened to be great as well. Joe was a little ponderous of foot and could be troubled for a time by these types. Tyson with his uber aggressive style and much faster feet just ain't gonna stand for this action. I can see him blowing out many a big name 175 in no time at all.
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