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[AJAX]

I actually have to agree with you Jimmie

[jimmie]

Originally Posted by AJAX

I actually have to agree with you Jimmie

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[AJAX]

Originally Posted by jimmie

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any picks for UFC 75 ? I have to reddem myself

[jimmie]

Originally Posted by AJAX

any picks for UFC 75 ? I have to reddem myself

I wanna go bold and take Kongo but im not sure right now. I got Henderson by decision.

[scurlaruntings]

Originally Posted by jimmie

I think hes limited in the sense that hes not very good on the ground if Couture got him down im very sure Couture would bust him up and probablly pass his guard easily. I know Cros kicks are devestating but Randys smart hed scout them very well I know he did get caught once last night but the other times Gonzaga threw it Couture slipped it and caught it. If your plan to beat Randy Couture is to use ur feet im sorry but ur probablly fucked hes to smart and great of a Wrestler. As long as Randy can close the distance,get him into the fence he mauls him.

This is already known.CC was a kick boxer and still is.He can fight off his back but his not comfortable there and his sub defense there aswell as his subbs would be limited.But this much is a certainty if CC comes out aggresively striking theres NO WAY Randy can beat him.

Randy has a fairly decent standup.But against Gonzaga he was able to break his nose in the fall when they clashed heads and this was essentially the turning point in the fight.Gonzaga was very unfortunate to be on the end of that.This being said Randys tactic to get in his grill worked perfectly.He would have to do the same with CC to have any success.

[Koa]

I think the more interesting matchup would be Kongo against Randy. See how well jungle judo does against wrestling. It "could" be a viable counter to Randy Controlling the distance and forcing clinches. Judo's a great discipline to have in clinches.

[Donut62]

Originally Posted by Koa

I think the more interesting matchup would be Kongo against Randy. See how well jungle judo does against wrestling. It "could" be a viable counter to Randy Controlling the distance and forcing clinches. Judo's a great discipline to have in clinches.

I think you are confusing Kongo with Sokodjou.

[Koa]

Originally Posted by Donut62

I think you are confusing Kongo with Sokodjou.

I am

[achillesthegreat]

If Couture takes Cro down I think Cro will have no answer. He'll be defensive as usual but he'll get busted up.

You'll be suprised how Couture hangs with when they stand. Couture always moves his head and comes in with shots that are hard to read. Very much like Tyson. If he could do it to Liddell, he'll do it to Cro.

I think Liddell is a superior boxer to Cro. Cro shoots more kicks but I think kicks will be no issue for Couture. He'll grab his leg and take him down. If he can't catch a leg, he'll put his leg around Cros to trip him or go for the waist.

[scurlaruntings]

Liddell superior boxer?!?!?! Dude Liddell doesnt even possess a straight right hand or even a basic jab.Watch the boy shot that he tried to catch rampage with before he was KO`ed with the looping right hand.To be honest his boxing skills are very retarded.His just blessed with heavy hands.At least CC boxed as an amatuer and has more fundamental boxing skills.

[achillesthegreat]

Originally Posted by scurlaruntings

Liddell superior boxer?!?!?! Dude Liddell doesnt even possess a straight right hand or even a basic jab.Watch the boy shot that he tried to catch rampage with before he was KO`ed with the looping right hand.To be honest his boxing skills are very retarded.His just blessed with heavy hands.At least CC boxed as an amatuer and has more fundamental boxing skills.

Yes, a superior boxer.

His footwork is much better, his sense of range and timing most definitely superior.

Liddell has a fantastic right hand and only uses his jab to range find and set shots up.

I expected more from you. Liddell being successful because of heavy hands is undoubtedly oen of the dumbest things I've heard said and way too many people say it.

Liddell loops his shots because he wants to stay a little further away. The same thing happened when he went to Rampages body. Quinton made him pay by lunging after him.

[ufoalf]

Originally Posted by achillesthegreat

Yes, a superior boxer.

His footwork is much better, his sense of range and timing most definitely superior.

Liddell has a fantastic right hand and only uses his jab to range find and set shots up.

I expected more from you. Liddell being successful because of heavy hands is undoubtedly oen of the dumbest things I've heard said and way too many people say it.

Liddell loops his shots because he wants to stay a little further away. The same thing happened when he went to Rampages body. Quinton made him pay by lunging after him.

I'll agree with you on this one. Liddell's "boxing skills" are called terrible by boxer/boxing fans who are used to classical stance and movement. Liddell's stand up is overall superior to probably anyone in MMA today. His stand up is very good for MMA.

[achillesthegreat]

Originally Posted by ufoalf

I'll agree with you on this one. Liddell's "boxing skills" are called terrible by boxer/boxing fans who are used to classical stance and movement. Liddell's stand up is overall superior to probably anyone in MMA today. His stand up is very good for MMA.

In MMA your boxing has to be simplified but I'm sure this is the case for all arts in MMA.

For example Hatton, Mayweather, Cotto etc can rip three left hooks to the body with obvious danger. In MMA, you are in extreme danger and you'll get taken down or kneed etc

In MMA you don't see guys coming in behind leaping left hooks, screw uppercuts, tucking up in half guard etc All these moves that make a boxer dynamic have to be disposed off in MMA.

I'm sure pure wrestlers and BJJ etc can't implement EVERYTHING because they have to think about other things.

For a stand up fighter Chuck probably has the best footwork I've seen. The way he manouvers around guys is fantastic. Look what he does to Randy, and Randy can cut the ring off and come in fantastically.

His punches are a little looped but Chuck hardly wants to throw short uppercuts on the inside, otherwise he'll get taken down.

Best boxing defence I've seen in MMA is probably Jackson.

[jimmie]

Originally Posted by scurlaruntings

Liddell superior boxer?!?!?! Dude Liddell doesnt even possess a straight right hand or even a basic jab.Watch the boy shot that he tried to catch rampage with before he was KO`ed with the looping right hand.To be honest his boxing skills are very retarded.His just blessed with heavy hands.At least CC boxed as an amatuer and has more fundamental boxing skills.

His 2 straight right hand KOs over Randy Couture where pretty fucking good. But yeah obviously ur right Cro Cop is much better technique wise.

[scurlaruntings]

Originally Posted by achillesthegreat

Yes, a superior boxer.

His footwork is much better, his sense of range and timing most definitely superior.

Liddell has a fantastic right hand and only uses his jab to range find and set shots up.

I expected more from you. Liddell being successful because of heavy hands is undoubtedly oen of the dumbest things I've heard said and way too many people say it.

Liddell loops his shots because he wants to stay a little further away. The same thing happened when he went to Rampages body. Quinton made him pay by lunging after him.

Erm because Achilles its true! Liddell isnt known for his boxing 101 his known for his heavy hands.Do your self a favor and watch Rampage Liddell 2 again.Watch the body shot he throws on Rampage.Which guy do you know with good boxing skills trys to throw a left to the body when his at least a foot from his opponent whilst at the same time leaves his right hand low? And if you want to keep distance any decent boxer knows you stick and move and keep your opponent on the end of the jab not some looping probing left hand.Bottom line is his boxing skills suck most here are aware of that.