hatton looked alone and bewildered going into the fight..

doug.ie · 05-03-2009, 09:13 AM

..i think, and have been thinking for a while, that hatton trained himself for that fight...
his girlfriend was in tears long before the fight started...his family knew it was all fooked up behind the scenes for him.

when ricky is on forn and motivated he has this little run and skip thing where he kicks up his heels....he looked kinda lost from when he got into the ring.
billy graham would never had ricky going into the ring like that.

anyway...not looking for excuses...i know know manny would have beat any version of ricky..i didnt think it was possible for manny to do that...
manny pac is one of the all time greats...not just this time, but of all time.

ero-sennin · 05-03-2009, 09:22 AM

He also came to the ring before Manny and at the time I didn't think too much of it but thinking about it now, he looked very nervous, tense. Sounded like he was trying to instill confidence in himself with all those bold statements rather than actually believing them.

After the first round when Mayweather sr was talking to him in the corner, Ricky didn't hear a word of what Mayweather said to him. It was like he'd already given up and didn't want to listen.

I'm a Pac nuthugger btw before I get accused of making excuses for Ricky. I felt sad for Hatton though, glad he's okay.

trotter · 05-03-2009, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by doug.ie

..i think, and have been thinking for a while, that hatton trained himself for that fight...

Sad exactly the same myself, exactly the vibe I got

The Bang Benang · 05-03-2009, 11:23 AM

The camp focused too much on CHANGING Ricky but not actually creating a gameplan, they would make him look sharp on the heavy bag and pads but what about sparring? was he really transferring those skills into his sparring? I doubt it. Why wasn't there more southpaws in sparring?

Overall, too much focus on changing Ricky as a fighter but not actually creating a gameplan, Freddie Roach makes gameplans, he practices them with the fighter, and then gets them to execute them when the timing is correct, thats my Manny won, he had that perfectly timed hook practiced and evaluated in his camp as part of the game plan.

kerrminator · 05-03-2009, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by doug.ie

..i think, and have been thinking for a while, that hatton trained himself for that fight...
his girlfriend was in tears long before the fight started...his family knew it was all fooked up behind the scenes for him.

when ricky is on forn and motivated he has this little run and skip thing where he kicks up his heels....he looked kinda lost from when he got into the ring.
billy graham would never had ricky going into the ring like that.

anyway...not looking for excuses...i know know manny would have beat any version of ricky..i didnt think it was possible for manny to do that...
manny pac is one of the all time greats...not just this time, but of all time.

Yeah ,he did look like a beaten man during his entrance. It was quite strange to see. Not sure I agree with Manny would beat any version of Ricky though. The Hatton who beat Kostys Tszyu would tear him a new one imo.

The ballooning weight etc all seems to have caught up with him and something was definitely up with team Hatton last night. Almost as if their had just been a big bust up in the dressing room or something. His GF even looked as though something was up during his ring walk.

evil G · 05-03-2009, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bang Benang

The camp focused too much on CHANGING Ricky but not actually creating a gameplan, they would make him look sharp on the heavy bag and pads but what about sparring? was he really transferring those skills into his sparring? I doubt it. Why wasn't there more southpaws in sparring?

Overall, too much focus on changing Ricky as a fighter but not actually creating a gameplan, Freddie Roach makes gameplans, he practices them with the fighter, and then gets them to execute them when the timing is correct, thats my Manny won, he had that perfectly timed hook practiced and evaluated in his camp as part of the game plan.

I agree, Roach can take a lot of credit for last night's fight.

riggers · 05-03-2009, 01:16 PM

he did seem totally beaten between rounds. No fire nada ! It was a shame to see. That could be down to a number of things, but credit has to go to Pac.

Jetset78 · 05-03-2009, 01:26 PM

I knew it was gonna go all wrong when he didnt have Blue Moon playing on his entrance and all the Hatton fans seemed really subdued...it was all a bit weird.

He looked nervous as hell, much like when he fought Mayweather. Billy Graham didnt help his nerves then and wouldnt have done last night either

Guy · 05-03-2009, 01:28 PM

He looked very nervous and slightly gaunt, stress?Where Pac looked great,happy and confident and rightly so.

It was a sad sight to behold for me personally....

scurlaruntings · 05-03-2009, 01:41 PM

Shouldnt have got rid of Billy. Graham knew how to work to Hattons strengths. Snr would never have a clue. You cant change a guys style fundamentally. You can only make adjustments to what there already capable of.

Brummy1976 · 05-03-2009, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by scurlaruntings

Shouldnt have got rid of Billy. Graham knew how to work to Hattons strengths. Snr would never have a clue. You cant change a guys style fundamentally. You can only make adjustments to what there already capable of.

Totally agree.Its like when naz got rid of ingle, i dont care who he had in his corner after that,he was never going to be as effective.

scurlaruntings · 05-03-2009, 01:54 PM

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Totally agree.Its like when naz got rid of ingle, i dont care who he had in his corner after that,he was never going to be as effective.

So true. And despite being a big fan of Naz i hated him for dumping Ingle and putting Suarez and Manny in his corner. NEITHER man did ANYTHING for him or his style and the rot had already settled in.

AceNguyen · 05-03-2009, 02:02 PM

Stop blaming this fight on Mayweather Sr., he showed Ricky what to do but in the end Ricky wasn't good enough to put it into practice. NO version of Ricky Hatton could ever beat the Manny Pacquiao that showed up.

stittyb · 05-03-2009, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by AceNguyen

Stop blaming this fight on Mayweather Sr., he showed Ricky what to do but in the end Ricky wasn't good enough to put it into practice. NO version of Ricky Hatton could ever beat the Manny Pacquiao that showed up.

I don't think anyone is blaming Mayweather Sr. here. I think the point is that Hatton and Graham go way back. You need that sense of normality, and the friendship of a life long coach going into a big fight.

Raider Rudy · 05-03-2009, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by kerrminator

Yeah ,he did look like a beaten man during his entrance. It was quite strange to see. Not sure I agree with Manny would beat any version of Ricky though. The Hatton who beat Kostys Tszyu would tear him a new one imo.

The ballooning weight etc all seems to have caught up with him and something was definitely up with team Hatton last night. Almost as if their had just been a big bust up in the dressing room or something. His GF even looked as though something was up during his ring walk.

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doug.ie broadcasting from a shed East Side Guru Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: sligo, ireland Posts: 9,610 vCash: 75	hatton looked alone and bewildered going into the fight.. ..i think, and have been thinking for a while, that hatton trained himself for that fight... his girlfriend was in tears long before the fight started...his family knew it was all fooked up behind the scenes for him. when ricky is on forn and motivated he has this little run and skip thing where he kicks up his heels....he looked kinda lost from when he got into the ring. billy graham would never had ricky going into the ring like that. anyway...not looking for excuses...i know know manny would have beat any version of ricky..i didnt think it was possible for manny to do that... manny pac is one of the all time greats...not just this time, but of all time.
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ero-sennin Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: UK Posts: 4,762 vCash: 1000	Re: hatton looked alone and bewildered going into the fight.. He also came to the ring before Manny and at the time I didn't think too much of it but thinking about it now, he looked very nervous, tense. Sounded like he was trying to instill confidence in himself with all those bold statements rather than actually believing them. After the first round when Mayweather sr was talking to him in the corner, Ricky didn't hear a word of what Mayweather said to him. It was like he'd already given up and didn't want to listen. I'm a Pac nuthugger btw before I get accused of making excuses for Ricky. I felt sad for Hatton though, glad he's okay.
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The Bang Benang Journeyman ESB Jr Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 296 vCash: 1000	Re: hatton looked alone and bewildered going into the fight.. The camp focused too much on CHANGING Ricky but not actually creating a gameplan, they would make him look sharp on the heavy bag and pads but what about sparring? was he really transferring those skills into his sparring? I doubt it. Why wasn't there more southpaws in sparring? Overall, too much focus on changing Ricky as a fighter but not actually creating a gameplan, Freddie Roach makes gameplans, he practices them with the fighter, and then gets them to execute them when the timing is correct, thats my Manny won, he had that perfectly timed hook practiced and evaluated in his camp as part of the game plan.
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riggers Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 1,201 vCash: 1000	Re: hatton looked alone and bewildered going into the fight.. he did seem totally beaten between rounds. No fire nada ! It was a shame to see. That could be down to a number of things, but credit has to go to Pac.
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Guy Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 5,930 vCash: 1000	Re: hatton looked alone and bewildered going into the fight.. He looked very nervous and slightly gaunt, stress?Where Pac looked great,happy and confident and rightly so. It was a sad sight to behold for me personally....
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scurlaruntings ESB 2002 Club East Side VIP Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: By any means necessary Posts: 43,279 vCash: 1000	Re: hatton looked alone and bewildered going into the fight.. Shouldnt have got rid of Billy. Graham knew how to work to Hattons strengths. Snr would never have a clue. You cant change a guys style fundamentally. You can only make adjustments to what there already capable of.
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AceNguyen Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 1,069 vCash: 1000	Re: hatton looked alone and bewildered going into the fight.. Stop blaming this fight on Mayweather Sr., he showed Ricky what to do but in the end Ricky wasn't good enough to put it into practice. NO version of Ricky Hatton could ever beat the Manny Pacquiao that showed up.
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