boxing
Forum Home Boxing Forum European British Classic Aussie MMA Training
Go Back   Boxing News 24 Forum > Boxing > Classic Boxing Forum


View Poll Results: Jeffries in the top 30
Yes 44 86.27%
No 7 13.73%
Voters: 51. You may not vote on this poll

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 06-25-2007, 06:07 AM   #31
Beebs
Champion
East Side Guru
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 7,121
vCash: 1493
Default Re: Does Jeffries belong in the top 30 of all time?

Quote:
Originally Posted by cross_trainer
Unfortunately, I don't have any Roeber-Jeffries newspaper accounts. If the matches were genuine rather than purely for exhibition, it would definitely be impressive to read.

If we could locate Roeber/Jeffries, it would be the earliest wrestling film in existence.

Ah, by the way: [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

Enjoy.
Do you have any info on Jefferies wrestling accomplishments? Did he compete in any tournaments or something along those lines?
Beebs is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Old 06-25-2007, 06:08 AM   #32
janitor
P4P King
East Side VIP
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 21,776
vCash: 1000
Default Re: Does Jeffries belong in the top 30 of all time?

Quote:
Originally Posted by C. M. Clay II
Ali, Foreman, Liston, Chuvalo, Tua, Tyson, and others.
In terms of mental toughness Foreman, Liston, tyson and Tua were children next to Jeffries.

The guy won a fight with a dislocated elbow.
janitor is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 06-25-2007, 07:17 AM   #33
Holmes' Jab
Master Jabber
ESB Addict
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 2,551
vCash: 1000
Default Re: Does Jeffries belong in the top 30 of all time?

Of course he does. I have him just outside my Top 10 (at #11 or so)
Holmes' Jab is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 06-25-2007, 08:15 AM   #34
Pat_Lowe
Contender
ESB Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 596
vCash: 1000
Default Re: Does Jeffries belong in the top 30 of all time?

Quote:
Originally Posted by C. M. Clay II
And what does that have to do with whether they were tougher than him or not?
Originally Posted by McGrain
Jim? Of course! I have him in the top ten. Was there a tougher man in possesion of the heavyweight title? Ever?


Pat_Lowe is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 06-25-2007, 08:23 AM   #35
McGrain
Diamond Dog
East Side VIP
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 37,903
vCash: 1000
Default Re: Does Jeffries belong in the top 30 of all time?

Quote:
Originally Posted by C. M. Clay II
Ali, Foreman, Liston, Chuvalo, Tua, Tyson, and others.

Perhaps I should hav explained what I meant by "Tougher". I don't mean best, or most likely to win a fight - i mean toughest. Get the job done, doesn't matter what happens, take punishment, stay in there, keep fighting old school plough the back field the day after a 40 round war type tough. As much in the mind as the body I guess.

Ali doesn't qualify. He was far to interested in getting things his own way. Having said that, his Manilla performance alone qualifies him in terms of durability.

Foreman doesn't qualify. Didn't he plunge into a horrible depression after Ali beat him? Jeffries probably would have gone and broken a horse the next day, then started complaining about the re-match he'd be expected to fight.

Liston is an interesting choice. Rocky Marciano would also be a reasonable pick. But i'd probably have them at #3 and #2 respectively.

Not even touching your Tyson suggestion!
McGrain is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 06-25-2007, 10:33 AM   #36
cross_trainer
Bergeron Avatar Club
ESB Addict
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 3,703
vCash: 1000
Default Re: Does Jeffries belong in the top 30 of all time?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Beebs
Do you have any info on Jefferies wrestling accomplishments? Did he compete in any tournaments or something along those lines?
He had several exhibitions in which he did quite well against Ernest Roeber, who was the European champion in Greco-Roman wrestling at the time. Also trained with Farmer Burns in catch wrestling, and was doing exhibitions with the latter as late as 1910. Burns considered him to be quite good.

No formal credentials (there really weren't any in those days, to be fair), but he certainly mixed with some of the best wrestlers of his day.
cross_trainer is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 06-25-2007, 11:40 AM   #37
Bad_Intentions
Belt holder
ESB Addict
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Miami FL, USA
Posts: 3,688
vCash: 153
Default Re: Does Jeffries belong in the top 30 of all time?

yes.
Bad_Intentions is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 06-25-2007, 06:32 PM   #38
Beebs
Champion
East Side Guru
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 7,121
vCash: 1493
Default Re: Does Jeffries belong in the top 30 of all time?

Quote:
Originally Posted by cross_trainer
He had several exhibitions in which he did quite well against Ernest Roeber, who was the European champion in Greco-Roman wrestling at the time. Also trained with Farmer Burns in catch wrestling, and was doing exhibitions with the latter as late as 1910. Burns considered him to be quite good.

No formal credentials (there really weren't any in those days, to be fair), but he certainly mixed with some of the best wrestlers of his day.
Damn, I was hoping there would be some sort of AAU records or something, but yea, its pretty clear he was a very legit Greco guy.
Beebs is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 06-26-2007, 10:09 AM   #39
Raggamuffin
You dipstick
ESB Full Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Netherlands
Posts: 359
vCash: 766
Default Re: Does Jeffries belong in the top 30 of all time?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Muchmoore
Jeffries is a lock for the top 20. Hes around 15th in my opinion.
I agree with this
Raggamuffin is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 06-26-2007, 05:59 PM   #40
amhlilhaus
Contender
ESB Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 882
vCash: 1000
Default Re: Does Jeffries belong in the top 30 of all time?

Quote:
Originally Posted by C. M. Clay II
And what does that have to do with whether they were tougher than him or not?
tyson was in no way, shape or form tougher than jeffries. he took a whipping on occasion, but he was a quitter later in his career.

jeffries is well known for toughness, joe choynski hit him so hard with a uppercut his teeth wedged into his upper lip, the corner cut it loose with a knife. bob fitzsimmons, one of the hardest punchers ever, with little itty-bitty gloves, equivalent to modern mma gloves reinforced them with plaster of paris, and one punch sheared a slice of skin back, causing a torrent of blood to flow, jeffries came back to ko bob.
amhlilhaus is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Reply

Boxing News 24 Forum > Boxing > Classic Boxing Forum

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump






All times are GMT -4. The time now is 05:49 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Boxing News 24 Forum 2015