"I never could of beaten him" - Page 3

Russell · 08-30-2007, 07:36 AM

Yeah, Louis was a subtle pressure guy while Marciano's was glaringly obvious. I don't think Louis would be able to do anything approaching his best with Marciano stalking him around.

Bill1234 · 08-30-2007, 09:46 AM

After Larry fought Tyson, Tyson said "If Holmes was at his best, I wouldn't stand a chance"

Sweet Science · 08-30-2007, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill1234

After Larry fought Tyson, Tyson said "If Holmes was at his best, I wouldn't stand a chance"

Mike was just being very modest. Lets face it he has never been known for his honesty.

"I didn't rape her"

"I broke my back"

Bill1234 · 08-30-2007, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Sweet Science

Mike was just being very modest. Lets face it he has never been known for his honesty.

Yup, he's a lieing scum bag, but, in this situation, he happens to be partialy right, he does have a chance against a prime Larry, just it is very high.

Sweet Science · 08-30-2007, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill1234

Yup, he's a lieing scum bag, but, in this situation, he happens to be partialy right, he does have a chance against a prime Larry, just it is very high.

How do you see the fight unfolding?

Bill1234 · 08-30-2007, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Sweet Science

How do you see the fight unfolding?

Tyson coming out with bad intentions in the first 4-5 rounds (like usual). Larry keeping away with his great foot work (something he didn't have in their fight), and flicking his jab in Tyson face. Then around the 6th round or so starting to take over landing his cross and uppercuts. Tyson gets cut and swollen and loses his will to fight. In the 12th round does something really stupid and gets a point or two taken away. Then, in the championship rounds Larry reallly starts to pound Tyson. Mike stands his ground, but is only eating leather. The ref stops it. Or Larry wins a ud 15.

Minotauro · 08-30-2007, 10:19 AM

I know about Louis saying he would have never beaten Marciano but I read somewhere Marciano saying the same thing stating he would never beat a prime Louis. I'll try to look for it.

Also Moore was convinced a prime Charles would have beaten Marciano it's in my sig.

Sweet Science · 08-30-2007, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill1234

Tyson coming out with bad intentions in the first 4-5 rounds (like usual). Larry keeping away with his great foot work (something he didn't have in their fight), and flicking his jab in Tyson face. Then around the 6th round or so starting to take over landing his cross and uppercuts. Tyson gets cut and swollen and loses his will to fight. In the 12th round does something really stupid and gets a point or two taken away. Then, in the championship rounds Larry reallly starts to pound Tyson. Mike stands his ground, but is only eating leather. The ref stops it. Or Larry wins a ud 15.

Fair enough, I would have to disagree, but thanks for your prediction, appreciated.

red cobra · 08-30-2007, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by TBooze

Tyson admitted in the post fight interview he could of never of beaten Lewis.

Yeah and all of that talk, no matter who it's from is total bullspit, and you know not to believe it. None of these men would be the true competitors in this sport with a defeatist attitude like that. Playing head games that's all. Every one of them believes he can beat the other guy. They wouldn't be professional prize fighters if they didn't. Maybe deep down before the bell, inthe ring before the actual fight, you know, the moment of truth, they may feel down in their bones that they can't defeat a particular guy, but they would never, ever say that in words.

TBooze · 08-30-2007, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by red cobra

Yeah and all of that talk, no matter who it's from is total bullspit, and you know not to believe it. None of these men would be the true competitors in this sport with a defeatist attitude like that. Playing head games that's all. Every one of them believes he can beat the other guy. They wouldn't be professional prize fighters if they didn't. Maybe deep down before the bell, inthe ring before the actual fight, you know, the moment of truth, they may feel down in their bones that they can't defeat a particular guy, but they would never, ever say that in words.

We are talking post fight; and there is a tradition in boxing of fighters being very classy in post fight talk...

You rob Tyson of this, you rob him one of the few positive things the man has done for boxing post Spinks...

josak · 08-30-2007, 12:42 PM

Tyson meant that in his current condition and state that he could never beat Lewis. The two of them sparred together back around 85' and it was a competitive bout with Tyson beating him up the first half and Lewis coming back the second. A Tyson of 87'/88' would murder Lewis in my opinion, but this has been argued too much already.

TBooze · 08-30-2007, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by josak

Tyson meant that in his current condition and state that he could never beat Lewis. The two of them sparred together back around 85' and it was a competitive bout with Tyson beating him up the first half and Lewis coming back the second. A Tyson of 87'/88' would murder Lewis in my opinion, but this has been argued too much already.

Lewis was an amateur in 1985 and in 1987/88, of course Tyson should of handled him in them years...

08-30-2007, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by apollack

Look it. None of those guys really believe that in their hearts. They all think they could have beaten everyone. They are just being humble because humility goes a long way with fans and the press. Deep down they think otherwise, I really believe that. All champions have big egos and think they can beat whomever. That's what made them champions.

I agree.

08-30-2007, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by josak

Tyson meant that in his current condition and state that he could never beat Lewis.

Yeah, that's how I understood it.

Also, he knew Lewis and other interested parties would try to pressure him into a second fight (as had been agreed) and Tyson didn't want to get beat up again or fool anyone about his chances.

I think Lewis did sue Tyson eventually for not agreeing to get beaten up a second time. Business is business, I guess. Always seemed like a silly and bizarre contract anyway, but Tyson was the ultimate cash cow and gravy train for everyone so that explains it.

RoccoMarciano · 08-30-2007, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by fists of fury

But he didn't just say it once, it was something he repeated a couple of times to my knowledge.
Makes you think though that Louis was convinced he'd beat Ali, because he always said he could.

Louis and Marciano could both have beaten Ali.

1. Louis
2. Marciano
3. Ali

08-30-2007, 07:36 AM	#31
Russell Undisputed Champion East Side VIP Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 12,164 vCash: 75	Re: "I never could of beaten him" Yeah, Louis was a subtle pressure guy while Marciano's was glaringly obvious. I don't think Louis would be able to do anything approaching his best with Marciano stalking him around.
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08-30-2007, 09:46 AM	#32
Bill1234 Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 4,628 vCash: 1000	Re: "I never could of beaten him" After Larry fought Tyson, Tyson said "If Holmes was at his best, I wouldn't stand a chance"
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08-30-2007, 10:19 AM	#37
Minotauro Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: May 2007 Location: London Posts: 2,886 vCash: 1000	Re: "I never could of beaten him" I know about Louis saying he would have never beaten Marciano but I read somewhere Marciano saying the same thing stating he would never beat a prime Louis. I'll try to look for it. Also Moore was convinced a prime Charles would have beaten Marciano it's in my sig.
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08-30-2007, 12:42 PM	#41
josak Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,562 vCash: 1000	Re: "I never could of beaten him" Tyson meant that in his current condition and state that he could never beat Lewis. The two of them sparred together back around 85' and it was a competitive bout with Tyson beating him up the first half and Lewis coming back the second. A Tyson of 87'/88' would murder Lewis in my opinion, but this has been argued too much already.
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