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Old 08-30-2007, 06:58 PM   #1
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Who was the most physicaly gifted heavyweight ever? It's Mike Tyson for me. He had amazingly fast hands but at the same time could hit like a mule and was strong as a house. In his preteens he was already jacked.
Ali wasn't super strong like a lot of heavyweights despite his amazing speed so that takes away from his overall athletic ability.

Who are some others?
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Old 08-30-2007, 07:02 PM   #2
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I always had Greg Page high up on the list, despite his underachieving career.
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Old 08-30-2007, 07:14 PM   #3
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Who was the most physicaly gifted heavyweight ever? It's Mike Tyson for me. He had amazingly fast hands but at the same time could hit like a mule and was strong as a house. In his preteens he was already jacked.
Ali wasn't super strong like a lot of heavyweights despite his amazing speed so that takes away from his overall athletic ability.

Who are some others?
i think ur right on tyson.....fast, power, combinations were beautiful, his peek a boo defense was great and could take a solid punch
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Old 08-30-2007, 07:20 PM   #4
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Tyson or foreman. george could of been better if he learned how to box more and get proper leverage behind his punches. tyson hit with proper form. forman used throw some spazzy punches and still ko opponents
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Old 08-30-2007, 07:50 PM   #5
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Ali I would say.
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Old 08-30-2007, 08:04 PM   #6
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Iron Mike Tyson:
As far as power and speed goes I couldn't agree more, but while I wouldn't call his chin weak, it wasn't the best, and his height was a disadvantage too. Don't get me wrong, Mike was a monster, but for the sake of arguement lets compare a few other guys as well.

If we're talking in terms of sheer physical gifts, not counting technique and other intagibles, how about someone like Wlad? his chin is not the best either, probably worse than Tyson's, but his height, reach, power, and speed are all pretty amazing for the heavyweight division. His speed and power both lag a bit behind Tyson's but his height and reach are a huge advantage over almost every other fighter in the division.

Also, how about Big George Foreman? No speed whatsoever, but he had a chin like a freakin rock (he was KOed by Ali, but I think that had nothing to do with his chin and everything to do with how exhausted he was) He might also have the hardest punch of any guy in boxing, at least top 5 all time and definitely on par with Mike for power.

Here's how I see them on a scale of 1 to 5.

.............Mike Tyson.................. Wlad................... Big George
Power ------5 ---------------------4.5 -------------------5
Speed ------5 ---------------------4.5 -------------------2
Chin --------3 ---------------------2 ---------------------5
Size-------- 2 ---------------------5 ---------------------4

Total -------15 -------------------16 ---------------------16


this kinda reminds me of the skill meters on most boxing games. It's definitely not an accurate measure of overall physical ability, but it's kinda fun to take fighters and see how they measure up. What other categories do you think should be included in here? I was thinking of putting in Durability, but that would be kinda hard to measure. Any ideas.
no way tysons chin is only a 3
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Old 08-30-2007, 08:08 PM   #7
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It depends what you call gifted, I would say power and solid chin are good gifts as well as speed and form,to have a good work ethic and be conditioned is another, stamina is somewhat of a gift and good foot movement going foward or backwood. I also think there are flashy(window dressers) type of guys and Meat and Potato guys who make every punch count. They are all gifts, some make for better fights but it is all a matter of opinion but all of these quality's are gifts
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Old 08-30-2007, 08:43 PM   #8
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I agree with you that the young version of Tyson was the most physically gifted boxer in history. Obscene amounts of money and bloodsucking leeches that insinuated themselves into his inner-circle destroyed that in a few years. But I disagree with you about Ali. Ali was an incredibly strong individual. He made Frazier and Foreman exhausted in their bouts and it takes a strong man to wrestle in clinches with those guys. Plus, he had an amazing chin which indicates strength in his neck muscles.
It doesn't take Hercules to hold a boxer who is bent over and throwing punches, not expecting that his oppontant will resort to illegal tactics and force his head down choking all the while.

Any competant ref would of called Ali for it and most ok fighters in history would of had the same success with it.
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Old 08-30-2007, 08:43 PM   #9
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Tyson. Maybe Louis. Walcott deserves to be in the conversation.
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Old 08-30-2007, 09:05 PM   #10
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Mike Tyson
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Old 08-30-2007, 09:34 PM   #11
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no way tysons chin is only a 3
Fully agreed. Tyson had a solid chin.
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Old 08-30-2007, 10:16 PM   #12
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Tyson's chin was alot better than other heavyweights out there like lennox lewis, joe louis, joe frazier, etc. I would pick a prime tyson to ko marciano and frazier.
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Old 08-30-2007, 10:56 PM   #13
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I was also going to point out that Tyson's chin was definately better than a 3 out of 5....

His chin has never let him down nor has his put him out of a fight he should have won. His stamina and defense on the other hand have when he neglected his God given ability and honed talent.

In terms of gifted it depends what you put more stock in.

In terms of Heavyweights Tyson is pretty good choice.
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Old 08-31-2007, 02:11 AM   #14
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George Foreman. Gifted with amazing physical strength. Only two years of amateur experience and won a gold medal. Clobbers tough fighters in Chuvalo, Frazier, Norton, Lyle. Comes back in his late 30s and is making young men run from him. Never down in his comeback. Wins title at 45. I don't think anyone else had his gifts. Tyson was gifted, yes, but not the same longevity or strength. Ali was very talented, had a lot more boxing training and skill, but Foreman did more with his amazing physical talent with less skill and experience and training than a guy like Ali.
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Old 08-31-2007, 04:11 AM   #15
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Dempsey had amazing gifts
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