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Old 05-24-2009, 09:16 AM   #1
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Did Ali get Parkinson's Syndrome solely from the effects of boxing, or would he have gotten it anyway and the effects of boxing just made it worse?
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Old 05-24-2009, 11:17 AM   #2
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got it from boxing. he was too brave for his own good. look at frazier - he can hardly talk - not good for you taking constant shots like they did in manila. if he retired after manila i don't think he woulda been as bad today. shavers couldn't have been good for his health. he was getting hit constantly in those last fights.
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Old 05-24-2009, 12:15 PM   #3
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Did Ali get Parkinson's Syndrome solely from the effects of boxing, or would he have gotten it anyway and the effects of boxing just made it worse?
Ali's neurologists' opinions are that repeated blows to Ali's head caused irreparable damage to his brain stem, which damaged the dopamine-producing cells and produced his Parkinson's Syndrome.
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Old 05-24-2009, 01:09 PM   #4
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No way! You cannot say that people gets Parkinsons (Several versions of this illness) due to boxing or football. Most people who gets this illness has never boxed or played soccer. Of course you will not get better by taking punches from people like Shavers or Foreman over a long period of time.
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Old 05-24-2009, 01:25 PM   #5
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Ali's brother Rahman Ali seems normal, so I gotta assume Muhammad Ali is suffering from the effects of his awesome competition that he faced in the ring....... Still, anybody can get Parkinson's......

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Old 05-24-2009, 02:03 PM   #6
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Parkinson's syndrome can be caused from trauma. Parkinson's syndrome is different from Parkinson's Disease.
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Old 05-24-2009, 03:04 PM   #7
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A more direct question may be does he really have Parkinson's or does he have Dementia Pugilistica. Or both?

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Old 05-24-2009, 03:52 PM   #8
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Reading Ali's biography, it contained info that said that Ali also had a hole in the membrane separating the two sides of his brain, a condition that could be aggravated by blows to the head. There are differences between organic and non-organic forms of Parkinson's disease and syndrome. One occurs seemingly without a known cause; another occurs in all probability due to some obvious cause.
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Old 05-24-2009, 07:31 PM   #9
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Reading Ali's biography, it contained info that said that Ali also had a hole in the membrane separating the two sides of his brain, a condition that could be aggravated by blows to the head. There are differences between organic and non-organic forms of Parkinson's disease and syndrome. One occurs seemingly without a known cause; another occurs in all probability due to some obvious cause.
Seems you know a bit about Parkinsons, I need to get educated. What is organic v non organic ( Does Organic = Genetic, and non organic = cause and effect?)

Dimentia, Pugilistic or genetic is a different condition than Parkinsons.
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Seems you know a bit about Parkinsons, I need to get educated. What is organic v non organic ( Does Organic = Genetic, and non organic = cause and effect?)

Dimentia, Pugilistic or genetic is a different condition than Parkinsons.
I'm a bit of a health/medical science nut, but I'm not an expert. But I did research extensively into Ali's condition and I read his autobiography, which included reports released from Ali's medical doctors (with Ali's permission) that all state that in all probability, Ali's Parkinson's syndrome (a collection of Parkinson's Disease-like symptoms) was directly caused and aggravated by "repeated blows to the head" that damaged his brain stem, the area that produces the dopamine secreting cells. Parkinson's syndrome and Parkinson's disease patients lack sufficient dopamine and have to take medication to supplement.

Organic Parkinson's disease/syndrome would be like Micahel J. Fox, a guy that gets sick without any obvious cause and/or injury....Unlike Ali, Fox didn't suffer repeated blows to the head over the course of years and years.
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Old 05-25-2009, 12:14 AM   #11
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From Foreman. Holmes. If he did not face holmes whichI might add that Ali was way pasted his prime he might of gotten it later in life. oops from Smokin' joe frazier also. whew.
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it was likely because of the blows to the head. He shoulda retired after the last Frazier fight
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Old 10-27-2012, 08:16 AM   #13
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Ali's brother Rahman Ali seems normal, so I gotta assume Muhammad Ali is suffering from the effects of his awesome competition that he faced in the ring....... Still, anybody can get Parkinson's......

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i'm not so sure bill

makes me wonder if ali was destined to get parkinson's all along.


found this video on youtube and then found this old thread.


[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWkWEIIcbHk[/ame]
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Old 10-27-2012, 09:10 AM   #14
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It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that taking powerful blows to your head isn't good for you. This is clearly proven by years of evidence of punch drunk fighters and fighters with Parkinson's type symptoms, as well as all the problems we see with ex-football players. Ultimately, we allow warriors to make the choice to risk their long-term health for the potential glory and money. We allow lots of folks to do lots of risky things in this world, including smoke cigarettes and drink alcohol and jump out of airplanes, etc.
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Old 10-27-2012, 10:25 AM   #15
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One thing that caught my attention is that Ali was already showing mild signs of it as early as 1975, and in 1978 is was very clear. Very sad to see. The fact that it set on so early does imply he would've gotten it regardless - the majority only show effects several years after retirement, although there are exceptions. Still, it doesn't help to get hit as often as he did in the 70's.



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as well as all the problems we see with ex-football players.
Being not from the US I can't say I've ever seen an example of this. What former football players show those symptoms?
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