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Old 08-31-2007, 08:14 PM   #16
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When the "perfect" heavyweights have actualy croped up it has not been from dream combinations like these.

Joe Louis was a clumsy kid with power and fast hands. Jack Blackburn developed him into the ultimate fighting machine.

Muhamad Ali was a kid with god given reflexes who never learned anything about boxing. Yet you can't argue with the results.

Rocky Marciano was a pitiful little man with no boxing skill and penguin arms yet he was moulded into an all time great between Charlie Goldman and himself.

Michael Grant was a more realistic prospect than any of these jokers.
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Old 08-31-2007, 08:29 PM   #17
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Size: Nicolay Valuev
Handspeed: Floyd Patterson
Footspeed: Muhammad Ali
Jab: Larry Holmes
Right Cross: Joe Louis
Overhand Right: Earnie Shavers
Uppercut: Mike Tyson
Left Hook: Joe Frazier
Chin: George Chuvalo
Body (ability to absorb): Muhammad Ali
Body Attack: Joe Frazier
Stamina: Rocky Marciano
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Old 08-31-2007, 08:39 PM   #18
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That is not a good thing.

More a handicap
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Old 08-31-2007, 09:26 PM   #19
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Rocky Marciano was a pitiful little man with no boxing skill and penguin arms yet he was moulded into an all time great between Charlie Goldman and himself.
That made me laugh, and is so very true.
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Old 09-01-2007, 08:28 AM   #20
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Muhamad Ali was a kid with god given reflexes who never learned anything about boxing. Yet you can't argue with the results.
Yeah he knew the importance of footwork and movement in order to hit an opponent without himself being hit. Some say that's the art of fighting not to slug it out like a Marciano - hit and be hit style.
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Old 09-01-2007, 08:33 AM   #21
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Ali + Lennox Lewis is an immmediate thought.
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Old 09-01-2007, 08:41 AM   #22
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Ali + Lennox Lewis is an immmediate thought.
You wouldn't exactly have challengers falling over themselves for their shot at the title. Instead of the champ avoiding the challenger you'd have the challenger avoiding the champ



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Old 09-01-2007, 08:44 AM   #23
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Yeah he knew the importance of footwork and movement in order to hit an opponent without himself being hit. Some say that's the art of fighting not to slug it out like a Marciano - hit and be hit style.
And once that was gone, what was Ali's best defense?? Yep the rope a dope. A tactic which was getting hit and hitting back. Had Ali learn the basics of rolling with punchings like Archie Moore or to a lesser extant Rocky Marciano, Ali would not have taking as bad as beatings as he did in his later years.
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Old 09-01-2007, 08:52 AM   #24
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Yep. That's my final choice I think. One day there'll be a 6ft 5in version of Ali- but with Lewis-type power and no ****er will beat him...unless he fights till he's about 40. Still, someone will say "Jack Dempsey beat Willard and..."
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Still, someone will say "Jack Dempsey beat Willard and..."

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And Dempsey will beat him. A bigger target to hit. The bigger you get, the less speed you have. Thats the REASON there will never be a Vauly type of fighter with Ali speed.
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And Dempsey will beat him. A bigger target to hit. The bigger you get, the less speed you have. Thats the REASON there will never be a Vauly type of fighter with Ali speed.

But this is a 'what if?' thread so get on board. Dempsey would be mashed by most of the rest of all-time Top 10 anyway but that's another story.
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Yep. That's my final choice I think. One day there'll be a 6ft 5in version of Ali- but with Lewis-type power and no ****er will beat him...unless he fights till he's about 40. Still, someone will say "Jack Dempsey beat Willard and..."
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wat do you think an Idea height/weight would be?
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Old 09-01-2007, 09:21 AM   #30
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Here's your perfect heavy

Hand speed: Mike DeJohn
Chin: Primo Carnera
Ring generalship/finesse: Jess Willard
Mobility: Shannon Briggs
Stamina: Earnie Shavers
Jab: Brian London
Heart: Bruce Seldon
Punch: Jean Pierre Coopman
Height: Tommy Burns
Resistance to cuts: Henry Cooper

Wait a minute, maybe I misread this thread. Never mind.

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