Larry Holmes

[nick wells jr]

Originally Posted by Bill1234

WTF, you like the cowboys, and I like their rivals, the Eagles.


GO EAGLES!!!

NO i dOnt like the cowboys I LOVE THE COWBOYS! I BLEED SILVER AND BLUE.

[Bill1234]

Originally Posted by selfkill

I saw a highlight reel earlier today and I think there might be a case of Larry Holmes being in the top 3 fastest Heavyweights of all time?

Can you plz post the high light reel? And BTW for people reading this revived thread by me, I just randomly clicked the last pg back to revive an old thread, and picked this one when I saw it and remembered about the high light reel.

[DocDevil]

[quote=ChrisPontius]He had outstanding speed, no question. His speed is the reason i think he beats a slow plodder like Liston.[/quote

Holmes had good speed, but I feel that Liston would plod right through Holmes,ofcourse I like Sonny and Holmes I don't.

[Bill1234]

[quote=DocDevil]

Originally Posted by ChrisPontius

He had outstanding speed, no question. His speed is the reason i think he beats a slow plodder like Liston.[/quote

Holmes I don't.

Just out of curiosity, why not? I always like to know why people like or don't like certain fighters.

[robert ungurean]

Yes

[DocDevil]

[quote=Bill1234]

Originally Posted by DocDevil

Just out of curiosity, why not? I always like to know why people like or don't like certain fighters.

when he was the benefactor of close, questionable, decisions like the Norton fight that's fine with Holmes,when he loses one like the Spinks fight he says he was robbed.But probably the Marciano remark did it for me.Joe Louis never said Dempsey couldn't carry his jockstrap,Hank Aaron never said that of Ruth.It is just the arrogant attitude of athletes like Holmes,Barry Bonds,Pete Rose that grate against me.

[Robbi]

Holmes was the most complete and well rounded heavyweight who ever lived. When you balnace out all areas to score him in. Stamina, power, speed, chin, jab, recorvery powers, ring generalship, durability, mental toughness, inside fighting. He had it all, and when averaging everything out he's the most complete.

Better all round than Tyson and Ali, thats just two for starters. I'm not saying he was superman and was head and shoulders above every other great heavyweight, but he was the best in my opinion.

[JohnThomas1]

Outstanding speed for sure, top 5 and likely top 3 i'd say.

[ozziebattler]

Originally Posted by nick wells jr

i knew that would piss u off

Everytime i see a post of yours its you wanking on about your dad...

Fair enough he beat holmes in the amateur days but give it up...

Im sure your extremely proud of your dad and look up to him,but you going on about your dad is like me telling every1 how i dominated players like todd carney,jarrod hayne etc(NOW FAMOUS AUSSIE RUGBY PLAYERS)when we were in our junior days..

Their in the big leagues and im not,and Larry's a legend and your dad aint...

Case closed.....

[The Whaler]

[quote=DocDevil]

Originally Posted by Bill1234

when he was the benefactor of close, questionable, decisions like the Norton fight that's fine with Holmes,when he loses one like the Spinks fight he says he was robbed.But probably the Marciano remark did it for me.Joe Louis never said Dempsey couldn't carry his jockstrap,Hank Aaron never said that of Ruth.It is just the arrogant attitude of athletes like Holmes,Barry Bonds,Pete Rose that grate against me.

In Larry's defense, he had just lost his first pro fight, which is already pretty tough on a fighter, and soon after someone has to bring up the Marciano question. I believe if you raised the Marciano question now he would respond in a much more kindly fashion.

Are there any quotes from Larry Holmes regarding Marciano that were made a while after the Spinks fight?

[My dinner with Conteh]

[quote=The Whaler]

Originally Posted by DocDevil

In Larry's defense, he had just lost his first pro fight, which is already pretty tough on a fighter, and soon after someone has to bring up the Marciano question. I believe if you raised the Marciano question now he would respond in a much more kindly fashion.

Are there any quotes from Larry Holmes regarding Marciano that were made a while after the Spinks fight?

He said. "Maybe he could carry my jock strap after all".

[My dinner with Conteh]

[quote=Bill1234]

Originally Posted by DocDevil

Just out of curiosity, why not? I always like to know why people like or don't like certain fighters.

Why do you think? He was a classless buffoon in almost every interview he ever had. Not many of the magazine & newspaper writers were that keen on him either. In fact, it's almost impossible for me to read an interview with Holmes (from any time in the 1980s) without wanting to fight him myself.

[My dinner with Conteh]

In Peanut Head's defence, he's a lock for Top 5. Knocking on the door for a top 3 place. 20 defences (around 15 of them Pre-Mallard) takes some doing.

[Duodenum]

Sure. Who else would be up there? Corbett, Johnson, Dempsey (of Toledo), Tunney, Sharkey (handspeed only), Louis (handspeed only), Walcott (footwork), Patterson (handspeed only), Ali and Holmes. Throw out Sharkey, Louis, Walcott and Patterson for their lack of overall speed, and peak Holmes is clearly at least one of the top six.

Nat Fleischer flatly declared Ali the fastest heavyweight of all time, and he saw everybody on this list at their peak, from Johnson to Ali. Among the remaining top six, only Ali and Holmes were over 200 pounds at their fastest, and only Ali and Holmes had a reach recorded at 80 inches or more, giving them an advantage over any speedster with shorter arms. (I can't bring myself to rate transient WBA champions, or 12 round era title claimants.)

[mcvey]

[quote=DocDevil]

Originally Posted by Bill1234

when he was the benefactor of close, questionable, decisions like the Norton fight that's fine with Holmes,when he loses one like the Spinks fight he says he was robbed.But probably the Marciano remark did it for me.Joe Louis never said Dempsey couldn't carry his jockstrap,Hank Aaron never said that of Ruth.It is just the arrogant attitude of athletes like Holmes,Barry Bonds,Pete Rose that grate against me.

To be fair to Holmes he made that comment just after he had lost to Spinks ,and was seriously pissed off,plus its often taken out of context,what he actually said was"if you want to get technical about it Rocky couldnt carry my jock strap",which comparing them technically isnt so far from the truth,,he shouldnt have said it but its not like he said" I would have killed Rocky "is it?