Manny Pacquaio .Vs. Marco A. Barrera (Prime)

la-califa · 05-27-2009, 03:05 PM

How would have Pacquaio have done against a prime version of Barrera? 12 rounds.

PowerPuncher · 05-27-2009, 04:01 PM

Barrera was near prime against Pacquaio but he left his heart in the ring against Morales 1 and never had the same brutality after that. After that Barrera was looking to box smart but wasn't quite the same warrior that he was from 1995-2000. That served him well against Hamed, against Pacquaio he was overwhelmed by the speed and had no answer. I feel if Barrera was the up and comer he could come up with a strategy to be far more effective and maybe win, maybe not

If Barrera was the up and comer like he was against Hamed and specifically preparing for Pacquaio's style and Pacquaio was his 1dimensional 126lb self, Barrera may just counter his way to a UD win. I don't think Barrera was too far off in the rematch, he outboxed Pac for periods early on and Pac wasn't getting anything meaningfull off himself.

My2Sense · 05-27-2009, 05:12 PM

Pacquiao by domination... again.

asero · 05-27-2009, 05:45 PM

a pre-prime ATG beat a prime ATG....

it rarely happens, if it did ever happened before

robert ungurean · 05-27-2009, 10:10 PM

I still like Pac in this.
He's just wrong for Berrara.

WhataRock · 05-27-2009, 10:13 PM

That was a pre-prime Pac dominating a near prime but sorta not 110% version of Barerra...(he had well publicized out of the ring issues)

If they had 3 fights...I see Pac mugging him in the first one again and like the rematch MAB ad******g so he sees the final bell but not with the win.

Sweet Pea · 05-27-2009, 10:21 PM

I still would favor Pacquiao, but Barrera was definitely not 100% for the first fight. That just seems to go unmentioned for whatever reason.

Bill Butcher · 05-27-2009, 10:27 PM

Depends what prime versions you put in the ring together... absolute peaks were likely in different weight classes.

Sweet Pea · 05-27-2009, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill Butcher

Depends what prime versions you put in the ring together... absolute peaks were likely in different weight classes.

True. At 122 I'd favor Barrera, as I think Pac was still too raw for an A game elite like MAB. Pacquiao on the other hand is only peaking currently IMO, well outside of Barrera's comfort zone.

asero · 05-27-2009, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweet Pea

True. At 122 I'd favor Barrera, as I think Pac was still too raw for an A game elite like MAB. Pacquiao on the other hand is only peaking currently IMO, well outside of Barrera's comfort zone.

pac was also raw amd was still picking when he move up in weight and fought and dismantled barrera in 2003...

MAB was the same fighter in 2003. Proof of that is MAB shy away from a rematch. and the only logical reason is, he can not beat pacquiao...maybe styles makes fights which imply that MAB is a limited fighter...he can not find a way to beat pac

asero · 05-27-2009, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by WhataRock

That was a pre-prime Pac dominating a near prime but sorta not 110% version of Barerra...(he had well publicized out of the ring issues)

If they had 3 fights...I see Pac mugging him in the first one again and like the rematch MAB ad******g so he sees the final bell but not with the win.

why do you think the proud barrera shy away from a rematch...There was a rematch clause in the contract

WhataRock · 05-27-2009, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by asero

why do you think the proud barrera shy away from a rematch...There was a rematch clause in the contract

Huh?

Probably because he got his arse handed to him the first time around..But MAB arguably took on a better version of Pac when he himself was fading in the rematch..Which takes a bit of balls.

asero · 05-27-2009, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by WhataRock

Huh?

Probably because he got his arse handed to him the first time around..But MAB arguably took on a better version of Pac when he himself was fading in the rematch..Which takes a bit of balls.

he did that for money more than anythings else...why did he have to wait for more than 3 years to have their rematch...

simple logical answer is, he has no answer for pacquiao

WhataRock · 05-27-2009, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by asero

he did that for money more than anythings else...why did he have to wait for more than 3 years to have their rematch...

simple logical answer is, he has no answer for pacquiao

Well there is an answer..I just gave it to you.

He got cleaned up and didnt want a piece of Manny at the time.

asero · 05-27-2009, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by WhataRock

Well there is an answer..I just gave it to you.

He got cleaned up and didnt want a piece of Manny at the time.

how does it translate to his overall ability as a fighter?

05-27-2009, 03:05 PM	#1
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PowerPuncher ESB Junkie East Side VIP Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 30,740 vCash: 1000	Re: Manny Pacquaio .Vs. Marco A. Barrera (Prime) Barrera was near prime against Pacquaio but he left his heart in the ring against Morales 1 and never had the same brutality after that. After that Barrera was looking to box smart but wasn't quite the same warrior that he was from 1995-2000. That served him well against Hamed, against Pacquaio he was overwhelmed by the speed and had no answer. I feel if Barrera was the up and comer he could come up with a strategy to be far more effective and maybe win, maybe not If Barrera was the up and comer like he was against Hamed and specifically preparing for Pacquaio's style and Pacquaio was his 1dimensional 126lb self, Barrera may just counter his way to a UD win. I don't think Barrera was too far off in the rematch, he outboxed Pac for periods early on and Pac wasn't getting anything meaningfull off himself.
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WhataRock Undisputed Champion East Side VIP Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Sydney Posts: 13,403 vCash: 166	Re: Manny Pacquaio .Vs. Marco A. Barrera (Prime) That was a pre-prime Pac dominating a near prime but sorta not 110% version of Barerra...(he had well publicized out of the ring issues) If they had 3 fights...I see Pac mugging him in the first one again and like the rematch MAB ad******g so he sees the final bell but not with the win.
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