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Old 06-17-2009, 04:58 PM   #31
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He's obviously the worst grandfather ever. If there was a family reunion he'd probably take me out back and have a "special talk" with me if you know what I mean.
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poor McVey he cant be that bad.......
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im not trying to be cloack and dagger. Mendoza told me in good faith to keep in quiet and i am a man of my word.

I want every fight film to be released to everyone whats the point of being greedy and not havin nobody to talk about it with.

Also cheers for the link.



exactly



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lol

the banter you to have the family reunion would be hilarious





Russel he aint a good Grandad. Grandparents are real soft and let you do what you want and let you eat sweets. We all know that
I wasnt referring to you when I spoke of "Cloak and Dagger ",you know who I meant.
And so does he, some people need to feel important,the rest of us are happy being one of the crowd.
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Old 06-17-2009, 06:57 PM   #34
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This exists on film? I doubt it!
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GreatA, Amazing find ! Great job !

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GreatA, you are GREAT. Amazing find ! Can't thank you enough !!!
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Jim Corbett got mutha****in skilz...

Holy shit. That roll of the fists into a jab you can see coming from another zipcode but those feints, the uppercut and right to the jaw are the shit. Makes me ponder what would become of a Corbett-Jack Johnson match-up.
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Old 06-17-2009, 11:25 PM   #40
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Great stuff. Thanks Russell, and everyone else..
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Jim Corbett got mutha****in skilz...

Holy shit. That roll of the fists into a jab you can see coming from another zipcode but those feints, the uppercut and right to the jaw are the shit. Makes me ponder what would become of a Corbett-Jack Johnson match-up.
Corbett v Johnson sparring is out there,I have seen it ,but if I told you where to find it I would have to kill you.
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I don't think corbett is much of an enigma if you know where to read and look. There is more footage of Corbett. You can see several rounds of him vs Fitzsimmons, though the film is grainy and runs slow.

Corbett might be the fighter working the bag in the movie the Night They Raided Minsky's, which also has a clip from the Jeffries vs Shareky II fight. I'll have to see it again before a positive ID as the clip is only a few seconds long, but whomever that fighter was was on the money and quick.

By the way, Corbett offical record before losing to Fitzsimmons was 59-0-3! But you have to use news paper reports of fights and news paper decsions to as many of the matches were only 4 or 6 round affairs. Still 60+ fights without a loss is something only a boxing master could hope to do.
Can you please post the names of the 59 opponents of Corbett . I have located around 35,have you concrete proof, as in these names?
Are you guessing? Or including exhibitions?
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He's obviously the worst grandfather ever. If there was a family reunion he'd probably take me out back and have a "special talk" with me if you know what I mean.
I think Gramps came up with a good find here. Now if he could only let his closest family members see Greb vs Walker.
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Can you please post the names of the 59 opponents of Corbett . I have located around 35,have you concrete proof, as in these names?
Are you guessing? Or including exhibitions?
Many of the records of the old timers are incomplete. This is especially true of fighters who fought in the 1800's.

Below is a list of three combined reported sources for Corbett's ring record. Based on the combined lists Corbett had 64 fights!

Take note, Corbett was 59-0-3 at one point before losing to Bob Fitzsimmons! Only a true boxing master could achieve such a record.

** the 59-0-3 record assumes the W vs Peter Jackson as listed is really a draw. Otherwise its 60-0-2** Be sure to read the key at the bottom of the page.

Many W's are really Ko wins for Corbett.


Appendix 1
FOR THE RECORD: The following is the complete list of bouts for James J. Corbett and Charles Mitchell according to the Ocala (Fla.) Evening Star of Feb. 2, 1894. Additional results from the Ring Record Book and Boxing's Top 100 haw been included on this list. In some cases dates, first names and other information is not available.

JAMES J. CORBETT:
San Francisco, Daw Eiseman, two rounds, W
San Francisco, Jim Hare, four rounds, W
San Francisco, Ed Siossen, three rounds, W
San Francisco, Jim McCarty, three rounds, W
San Francisco, Joe Chosinski, one round, W, (a)
San Francisco, Bob McCord, one round, W
San Francisco, Billy Welch, eight rounds, W
San Francisco, George Maxwell, two rounds, W
San Francisco, Tom Pollard, four rounds, W
San Francisco , John Dwyer, one round, W
San Francisco, Ed Rose, eight rounds, W
San Francisco, L.R. Fulda, four rounds, W
San Francisco, Jack Burke, eight rounds, draw, (8-27-88 )
San Francisco, Mike Brennan, eight rounds, W
San Francisco, Con Riordan, two rounds, W
San Francisco, Captain James H. Daley (also Daily), 4 rounds, W
San Francisco, Joe Choyinski, four rounds, W, (5-30-89) (a)
Salt Lake City, Frank Smith, sewn rounds, W
Salt Lake City, Duncan McDonald, eight rounds, W , (b)
San Francisco, Joe Choyinski, three rounds (some sources say four), W, (7-15-89) San Francisco, Martin Costello, four rounds, W
San Francisco, George Atkinson, three rounds, W
San Francisco, Prof. William Miller, six rounds, W
San Francisco, Larry SUlliwn, two rounds, W
San Francisco, Frank Glowr, four rounds, W, (6-30-88 (c)
San Francisco, John Donaldson, eight rounds, W
Portland, Ore., Daw Campbell, 10 rounds, W, (7-29-89) (d)
San Francisco, Joe Choyinski, 27 rounds, W, (6-5-89) (a)
New Orleans, Jake Kilrain, six rounds, W, (2-18-90)
Brooklyn, Dominic McCaffery, four rounds, W, (4-14-90)
San Francisco, Peter Jackson, 61 rounds, W, (5-2-91) (e)
Milwaukee, Ed Kinney, four rounds, W, (10-8-91)
Philadelphia, Matt Donovan, one round, W, (3-20-89) (f)
New Jersey, Peter Courtney, six rounds, W, (9-7-94)
Philadelphia, John McVey, three rounds, W, (1-4-95) (g)
Philadelphia, Bubbles Davis, three rounds, W
Philadelphia, Bob Caffrey, four rounds, W
Philadelphia, Sailor Brown, two rounds, W
Philadelphia, Jack Brady, three rounds, W
Philadelphia, Mike Moneghan, two rounds, W
Philadelphia, Joe Godfrey, three rounds, W


Philadelphia, Jack Haughey, one rounds, W
Philadelphia, Jack Langdon, two rounds, W
Philadelphia, Denny Kelleher, four rounds, W
Philadelphia, Joe Wilson, three rounds, W
Madison Square Garden, William Speflings, one round, W, (h) Madison Square Garden, Bob Goffey, one round, W
Madison Square Garden, Joe Lannon, th.-ee rounds, W, (i) Hartford, John McMahan, two rounds, W
Albany, Jack McDonald, one rounds, W
Columbus, Jim Hughes, two rounds, W
Butte, Mont. , Jack Grace, two rounds, W
San Francisco, Mike Olson, one round, W
Tucson, Mike Sullivan, two rounds, W
EI Paso , Jack Donnelly, two rounds, W
New Orleans, John L. Sullivan, 21 rounds, W, (9-7-92) Jacksonville, Charlie Mitchell, three rounds, W, (1-25-94)
New Orleans, John McVey, three rounds, W, (1-4-95)
San Francisco, Tom Sharkey, four rounds, draw (6-24-96) (j) Carson City, Nev., Bob Fitzsimmons, 14 rounds, L, (3-17-97)
New York, Tom Sharkey, 9 rounds, L (foul), (11-22-98
Coney Island, Jim Jeffries, 23 rounds, L, (5-11-1900)
New York, Kid McCoy, five rounds, W, (8-30-1900)
San Francisco, Jim Jeffries, 10 rounds, L, (8-14-03)





KEY CORBETT NOTES:
(a) correct spelling is Joe ChoYnSki, first fight is also called a no decision by some sources; 5­30-89, stopped by police in the fourth round; 6-5-89, stopped ChOYnski in the 27th, and 7­15-89, won four-round bout according to 100 Greatest Boxers of All Time by Bert Sugar.
(b) also called a draw by some sources.
(c) also called a draw by some sources.
(d) called a draw after 10 rounds because Corbett failed to score a knockout as agreed.
(e) called a no contest by referee Hiram Cook, no punches were thrown in the 61st round, fight took four hours and 10 minutes, also (and more reasonably) called a draw by some sources .
(f) also listed as Mike Donovan and called a sparring session or exhibition by some sources. (g) site also listed as New Orleans, McVey listed as Jim and John by different sources.
(h) result is similar to one reported for 2-16-92, a one-round victory o\ler one Bill Spilling in Rochester.
(i) also called a no decision by some sources
(j) also has 1-round KO victory o\ler Emest Roeber on 1-3-97, no site, listed as an exhibition.
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Old 06-18-2009, 06:54 AM   #45
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McVey, I missed your info on the clip but also big thanks for sharing the info !

Arka, agreed and modified ...
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