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Old 06-18-2009, 10:43 AM   #46
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Great to see film of the two old men. As for Corbetts upercut???? Seamus.. Why are you impressed by that??? Seriously??
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Old 06-18-2009, 11:42 AM   #47
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I wasnt referring to you when I spoke of "Cloak and Dagger ",you know who I meant.
And so does he, some people need to feel important,the rest of us are happy being one of the crowd.
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boxings going good. im using my fitness more and working on my aggresion especially body shots. Stopped afew adults in the gym with my body shots but im taking too many shots now i need to find a balance. My trianers working on alot of movement in a circle with just half a step in and out with long shots.

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Corbett v Johnson sparring is out there,I have seen it ,but if I told you where to find it I would have to kill you.
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I think Gramps came up with a good find here. Now if he could only let his closest family members see Greb vs Walker.
has Russel seen it?
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Old 06-18-2009, 12:12 PM   #48
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McVey, I missed your info on the clip but also big thanks for sharing the info !

Arka, agreed and modified ...
You are welcome ,share and share alike,well, except for the Greb Walker fight.
Oh, and did I mention I was in the Silver Slipper Night Club ,after the Greb fight ,and later on, witnessed the two of them going at it on the street?
You probably wouldn't be interested as the pictures I took aren't very clear.
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Old 06-18-2009, 12:42 PM   #49
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Maybe I'm just an ignorant cuss but I didn't find that video impressive. Corbett's punching was bizarre, and he hands were not protecting his face. He looked open to some counter's for sure.

Can someone please explain how that footage showed a skillful man? Not being a dick, I'm quite serious.
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Old 06-18-2009, 02:08 PM   #50
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I don't know how much you you should read into this,but ,according to boxrec, Corbett has one of the worst KO percentages for a great heavyweight at 25 %.

Of course this is just a demonstration,but he doesn't seem to be getting his body into each punch.

Could it be that he developed his light punching technique as a bareknuckle boxer to save his hands in a long contest?

It was a beautiful video,anyway.... (sorry for my rude sarcasm he grant )
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Old 06-18-2009, 03:02 PM   #51
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I dont know what Mendoza is talking about that that bullcrap. Boxrec a reliable source who mendoza uses for his info usually, lists corbett as 16-4 proffessional record.
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Old 06-18-2009, 03:07 PM   #52
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I dont know what Mendoza is talking about that that bullcrap. Boxrec a reliable source who mendoza uses for his info usually, lists corbett as 16-4 proffessional record.
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Old 06-18-2009, 06:52 PM   #53
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Maybe I'm just an ignorant cuss but I didn't find that video impressive. Corbett's punching was bizarre, and he hands were not protecting his face. He looked open to some counter's for sure.

Can someone please explain how that footage showed a skillful man? Not being a dick, I'm quite serious.
I have to be honest, I too found his technique one of the strangest i have ever seen. Perhaps it was old age? Of just because they were not serious. He almost seemed to wrist punch, for want of a better word, and his straight back seems to suggest little body was put behind his weight. On a positive, i though he actually looked to know how to clinch and to me, i just got the feeling that he could fight in a clinch (never thought this of him before). I think i will need to watch Corbett Fitz to reevaluate it, given this clearer video. This is in total contrast to the John L clip i have seen where it seems obvious John L punches in a modern way.
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Old 06-18-2009, 07:19 PM   #54
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I have to be honest, I too found his technique one of the strangest i have ever seen. Perhaps it was old age? Of just because they were not serious. He almost seemed to wrist punch, for want of a better word, and his straight back seems to suggest little body was put behind his weight. On a positive, i though he actually looked to know how to clinch and to me, i just got the feeling that he could fight in a clinch (never thought this of him before). I think i will need to watch Corbett Fitz to reevaluate it, given this clearer video. This is in total contrast to the John L clip i have seen where it seems obvious John L punches in a modern way.
A John L. clip? WHERE WHERE WHERE?????

Yeah, Corbett did his thing so I trust he could do SOMETHING. As far as I'm concerned, history vindicates Sullivan if ONLY being a barroom brawler ****ing ****ing Hell, in which case it would be tremendously difficult to survive him as Corbett did. So that alone tells me Corbett had something going on. However, the technique in this video was.... Victorian. It looked like some contrived nonsense, but hey whatever. Tunney apparently really dug Corbett and that vindicates him as to me Tunney was an incredible boxer and he knows better than I to judge such things.
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Old 06-19-2009, 08:17 AM   #55
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I dont know what Mendoza is talking about that that bullcrap. Boxrec a reliable source who mendoza uses for his info usually, lists corbett as 16-4 proffessional record.
It is estimated that Box rec has about 10% of all the fights out there. The record I posted on Corbett comes from multiple news paper reports. Poster Appolack found a few new non box rec matches as well.

Box rec just doesn't have the time to re-search 1000's of fighters. However the select few editors there will add a fight every now and then.
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A John L. clip? WHERE WHERE WHERE?????

Yeah, Corbett did his thing so I trust he could do SOMETHING. As far as I'm concerned, history vindicates Sullivan if ONLY being a barroom brawler ****ing ****ing Hell, in which case it would be tremendously difficult to survive him as Corbett did. So that alone tells me Corbett had something going on. However, the technique in this video was.... Victorian. It looked like some contrived nonsense, but hey whatever. Tunney apparently really dug Corbett and that vindicates him as to me Tunney was an incredible boxer and he knows better than I to judge such things.
It is on you tube, i am fairly sure. He is only playing around and it is only a couple of seconds and he is very old.
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Old 06-19-2009, 11:32 AM   #57
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It is on you tube, i am fairly sure. He is only playing around and it is only a couple of seconds and he is very old.
Sullivan was dead at 57, Larry Holmes had his last fight beating Butter Bean at the age of 52.I'm 60,how different are the perceptions of age through the years.Sullivan does indeed look like an very old man, but he wasn't.The clip featuring John L was taken at Jeffries training camp for his ill fated comeback against Johnson.
Sullivan and Corbett had not spoken for years ,but in the interests of White solidarity ,patched things up and presented a united front against Johnson.
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Old 06-19-2009, 11:38 AM   #58
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Mendoza,

Even CyberboxingZone with the panel of IBRO historians does not agree with your assessment corbett was 59-0. In fact They have corbett listed as fighting mostly exhibitions that you probably confuse for pro fights.
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Mendoza,

Even CyberboxingZone with the panel of IBRO historians does not agree with your assessment corbett was 59-0. In fact They have corbett listed as fighting mostly exhibitions that you probably confuse for pro fights.
I am going on news paper reports, the chief one being the Ocala newspaper who had quite a bit on Corbett leading up to his title match with Mitchell. Whether they were news paper decisions or not is debatable, hence I said Corbett's reported ring record before losing to Fitzsimmons was 59-0-3.
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If you have HARD evidence that corbetts record was indeed 59-0 then please send it in to boxrec so they can change it. I have sent numerous newspaper articles about 40s-50s heavyweights to boxrec, in which they have changed a certain boxers height/weight and even added a fight or two on. If you have the evidence, they will grant it.
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