Classic's take on Pacquiao vs. Cotto

[GPater11093]

Originally Posted by Russell

That's the thing, Pacquiao can move all night, his stamina is awesome. Cotto's is not and by the time Pacquiao slows down even a bit to maybe be hittable to the body Cotto's going to be too far gone to do it regardless, if his face isn't tore to shreds by then that is.

it is Pac is so fit he can move all 12 he can 'outbox' Cotto and Cotto is going to be hitting air

[OBCboxer]

I see this being similar to Cotto-Judah. Of course this will be a much closer fight but nobody should just write Cotto off because of the Clottey. He was fighting with one eye after all.

[Addie]

Originally Posted by OBCboxer

I see this being similar to Cotto-Judah. Of course this will be a much closer fight but nobody should just write Cotto off because of the Clottey. He was fighting with one eye after all.

I'm still befuddled how so many spectators could have missed this.

Miguel Cotto should not be judged on a performance where he was forced to fight the majority of the fight with one eye.

It's nonsensical.

[OBCboxer]

Originally Posted by selfkill

I'm still befuddled how so many spectators could have missed this.

Miguel Cotto should not be judged on a performance where he was forced to fight the majority of the fight with one eye.

It's nonsensical.

I am also. They are saying that at age 28, he is on the decline but they have nothing to base it on.

[Addie]

Originally Posted by OBCboxer

I am also. They are saying that at age 28, he is on the decline but they have nothing to base it on.

Miguel Cotto may well be on the decline, but his last two fights are not evidence of that.

There was a clear distinction in the Cotto before the 4th round against Clottey as opposed to the one after he suffered the cut. He was wiping away the blood, he was on the retreat. He clearly couldn't see Clottey's right hand.

To go through all of that and to get a decision in a close fight? I can only applaud the man.

[OBCboxer]

Originally Posted by selfkill

Miguel Cotto may well be on the decline, but his last two fights are not evidence of that.

There was a clear distinction in the Cotto before the 4th round against Clottey as opposed to the one after he suffered the cut. He was wiping away the blood, he was on the retreat. He clearly couldn't see Clottey's right hand.

To go through all of that and to get a decision in a close fight? I can only applaud the man.

I think Cotto has all ready peaked but is still in his prime. I guess we'll see in his next fight. The man is a true warrior.

[Russell]

Originally Posted by selfkill

I'm still befuddled how so many spectators could have missed this.

Miguel Cotto should not be judged on a performance where he was forced to fight the majority of the fight with one eye.

It's nonsensical.

Does this take away the fact that it very planly showed that Cotto deals very poorly with cuts?

Pacquiao cuts everyone to ribbons. Performing well against Clottey with a bad cut and against Pacquiao with one isn't even remotely comparable.

[birddog]

This fight that last year would be considered a no contest in Cotto's Favor is now a Pac romp. Based on what has happened over the past year it is now an interesting match. Has a catch weight been agreed upon? we know Roach said 147 is out. Allot of questions

Is Cotto damaged, too flawed defensively, too slow (compared to PAc), on the down slide.
Is PAC that good? I mean an old shot ODL, and Ricky who obviously didn't change anything and maybe overated honestly.

You know Roach will want the lowest possible catch weight. Can Cotto get to say 143 and rehydrate enough.

This will be very interesting it is not a done deal yet is it.

[birddog]

Originally Posted by Russell

Does this take away the fact that it very planly showed that Cotto deals very poorly with cuts?

Pacquiao cuts everyone to ribbons. Performing well against Clottey with a bad cut and against Pacquiao with one isn't even remotely comparable.

I don't know Russell it was a pretty bad cut, he could have bailed early and didn't. However he did have issue with it throughout the fight.

I don't know, neither one of us were in his shoes. And although you can argue that Clottey is not Pac, he was certainly a bad style match for Cotto regardless.

This is one of those fights I will love to see, but hate at the same time as I like both. You can't not like them, both class and true pro's.

[Addie]

Originally Posted by Russell

Does this take away the fact that it very planly showed that Cotto deals very poorly with cuts?

Pacquiao cuts everyone to ribbons. Performing well against Clottey with a bad cut and against Pacquiao with one isn't even remotely comparable.

The cut was caused by a headbutt. It was a terrible cut, it clearly effected his vision and his performance.

A lot of people on this forum will admit to changing their minds about how a Cotto/Pacquiao match-up would go based on the Clottey fight.

This doesn't make sense to me.

If anything, I felt Cotto actually displayed that he does deal well with cuts. There is being cut under the eye or on the bridge of your nose, and then there is being cut directly above the eye so that the blood seeps into your vision. Cotto changed his gameplan to fight effectively the last couple of rounds, and when he was back pedalling, I thought he was landing the cleaner blows. I was impressed.

[lefthook31]

Originally Posted by selfkill

The cut was caused by a headbutt. It was a terrible cut, it clearly effected his vision and his performance.

A lot of people on this forum will admit to changing their minds about how a Cotto/Pacquiao match-up would go based on the Clottey fight.

This doesn't make sense to me.

If anything, I felt Cotto actually displayed that he does deal well with cuts. There is being cut under the eye or on the bridge of your nose, and then there is being cut directly above the eye so that the blood seeps into your vision. Cotto changed his gameplan to fight effectively the last couple of rounds, and when he was back pedalling, I thought he was landing the cleaner blows. I was impressed.

Yes clearly a disadvantage to be fighting with one eye and shows you how tough Cotto really is. I think Clottey was putting on some acts to try and get the fight stopped to go to the cards on two occasions because he felt he was ahead.
I do think its a different fight if it happens in the Pac fight because Manny is a lot faster. Clottey punches harder, but the speed at which Manny would have been landing would have probably forced Cotto to stop fighting. Hopefully Arum wont rush the fight and make sure Cottos cut is good and healed. I would hate to see that cut open up in a fight with Pac because it would certainly spell instant doom for Cotto.