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Old 06-23-2009, 01:19 AM   #16
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Default Re: Please Participate: Classic Forum Collective Top 10 All-Time Heavyweights?

1---Muhammad Ali
2---Joe Louis
3---Rocky Marciano
4---Lennox Lewis
5---Jim Jeffries
6---Larry Holmes
7---Jack Johnson
8---George Foreman
9---Joe Frazier
10--Evander Holyfield

Rated on historical impact only--not h2h at all
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Old 06-23-2009, 01:31 AM   #17
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1---Muhammad Ali
2---Joe Louis
3---Rocky Marciano
4---Lennox Lewis
5---Jim Jeffries
6---Larry Holmes
7---Jack Johnson
8---George Foreman
9---Joe Frazier
10--Evander Holyfield

Rated on historical impact only--not h2h at all
I like your list. Rated on historical impact but no Dempsey? That just seems odd maybe I'm not getting what you mean by historical impact (By the way I'm asking not question your list).
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Old 06-23-2009, 01:36 AM   #18
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I like your list. Rated on historical impact but no Dempsey? That just seems odd maybe I'm not getting what you mean by historical impact (By the way I'm asking not question your list).
Historical impact is perhaps the wrong term. I meant I do not rate on guesswork on who beats who if taken out of time. Obviously, Jeffries might not rate #5 or Marciano #3 on that basis.

I rate on how they dominated their own eras. Dempsey fails the test to a certain extent because he did not fight Wills and did not defeat Tunney.

By the way, it gives me no pleasure to leave Dempsey off. He was my boyhood favorite.
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Old 06-23-2009, 01:51 AM   #19
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Historical impact is perhaps the wrong term. I meant I do not rate on guesswork on who beats who if taken out of time. Obviously, Jeffries might not rate #5 or Marciano #3 on that basis.

I rate on how they dominated their own eras. Dempsey fails the test to a certain extent because he did not fight Wills and did not defeat Tunney.

By the way, it gives me no pleasure to leave Dempsey off. He was my boyhood favorite.
Ah, no I was thinking H2H. I was thinking Historical impact in terms of what the boxer brought and gave to the sport. I don't rank Dempsey too high H2H and he does fall somewhere toward the bottom of my top 10... and as time goes on he seems to keep falling. However, I do think he revolutionized how the sport became and how we see it. I guess the confusing arouse from "impact." My bad, could've figured that out. Thanks for answering the question.
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Old 06-23-2009, 02:21 AM   #20
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1) Louis
2) Marciano
3) Ali
4) Holmes
5) Lewis
6) Langford
7) Johnson
Tunney
9) Dempsey
10) Foreman
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Old 06-23-2009, 02:45 AM   #21
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1. Lewis
2. Tyson
3. Holmes
4. Ali
5. Holyfield
6. Liston
7. Foreman
8. Frazier
9. Louis
10. Johnson

My criteria has and always will be strictly what a fighter at his best could do in the ring against not a select few but all of the best fighters. To make my list look more reasonable I left out fighters people in this forum don't consider great and I only included champions.
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Old 06-23-2009, 03:10 AM   #22
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This was my list i nutted out with the help of the forum a couple of years back

1. Muhammad Ali
2. Joe Louis
3. Lennox Lewis
4. Larry Holmes
5. Rocky Marciano
6. Evander Holyfield
7. Mike Tyson
8. George Foreman
9. Joe Frazier
10. Sonny Liston
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Old 06-23-2009, 03:18 AM   #23
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1. Lewis
2. Tyson
3. Holmes
4. Ali
5. Holyfield
6. Liston
7. Foreman
8. Frazier
9. Louis
10. Johnson

My criteria has and always will be strictly what a fighter at his best could do in the ring against not a select few but all of the best fighters. To make my list look more reasonable I left out fighters people in this forum don't consider great and I only included champions.
No marciano is ****ing ridiculous
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Old 06-23-2009, 03:24 AM   #24
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No marciano is ****ing ridiculous
I would have Marciano after Johnson, but 10 is the cut off point.
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Old 06-23-2009, 03:34 AM   #25
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Have you guys ever done something like this?

Where multiple posters list their top tens, and we do a point system?

Say....

25 points for your #1 guy
15 for #2
12 for #3
10 for #4
8 for #5
5 for #6
4 for #7
3 for #8
2 for #9
1 for #10



If you guys have done something like this before, then apologies in advance. Otherwise, let's give this thread a couple of weeks to run its course and I can tally the scores, let's say on July 15.

We can do follow-up lists for other divisions sometime after.

Anyway....

1. Ali
2. Louis
3. Holmes
4. Marciano
5. Johnson
6. Foreman
7. Lennox
8. Frazier
9. Dempsey
10. Liston

(No ties please, just a straight forward top ten)
I don't think the voting should be so tilted to the #1 position. It gives too much power to someone with a freak outlook as he can give 25 points to one man and 0 to another, and change the whole outcome. 10-1 points for the top ten positions would be better, I think.
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Old 06-23-2009, 04:44 AM   #26
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I don't think the voting should be so tilted to the #1 position. It gives too much power to someone with a freak outlook as he can give 25 points to one man and 0 to another, and change the whole outcome. 10-1 points for the top ten positions would be better, I think.
Seconded.

My list, just off the top of my head:

1. Ali
2. Louis
3. Lewis
4. Marciano
5. Holmes
6. Frazier
7. Holyfield
8. Johnson
9. Tyson
10. Wills
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Old 06-23-2009, 05:49 AM   #27
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My top 10 is a mix between achievement, head to head capability, and historical relevance.

01 - Ali
02 - Joe Louis
03 - Marciano
04 - Dempsey
05 - Foreman
06 - Frazier
07 - Jack Johnson
08 - Sullivan
09 - Tyson
10 - Lennox Lewis
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Old 06-23-2009, 05:51 AM   #28
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1 - Ali
2 - Louis
3 - Holmes
4 - Marciano
5 - Foreman
6 - Holyfield
7 - Lewis
8 - Johnson
9 - Frazier
10 - Tyson
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Old 06-23-2009, 06:56 AM   #29
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1.Muhammed Ali
2.Joe Louis
3.Larry Holmes
4.Mike Tyson
5.Lennox Lewis
6.Jack Johnson
7.Evander Holyfield
8.Jack Dempsey
9.Joe Frazier
10.George Foreman
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Old 06-23-2009, 06:59 AM   #30
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1 Louis
2 Ali
3 Holmes
4 Marciano
5 Liston
6 Lewis
7 Johnson
8 Foreman
9 Dempsey
10 Frazier
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