A Prime Foreman vs Todays HW Division? - Page 5

TheGreat · 06-25-2009, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by PugilisticPower

Wlad was not in his prime six years ago. You can see the development as a fighter he's had in that time period just by the way he moves and the fact that he's far more fluid with the shots he throws.

Also the nervous movements, you don't see him flinching and wasting the energy he used to in that era, he is much more composed, as you would expect with experience, age and getting sharper at his craft.

He's had six years working with one of the all time great achieving trainers to hone those skills, so no, Brewster and Sanders were not Wlad at his prime, at all.

Consider that it was only 6 years past beating Foreman and Frazier in the same year that Ali was completely OUT of his prime and you'll be on the path to realising something.

Generally, with the exception of Mike Tyson who never got a chance to be "in prime" - HW fighters hit their prime around their 30th and stay in their prime til their 35th.

Bull Shit, he had the experiance, , Wlad hasn't froze recently because he hasn't fought anyone since Peter who came in looking to knock him out, at age 28 with over 40 fights and having already beat Byrd I find it comical that that anyone would claim he was not in his Prime.

Mike Tyson was in his prime in the late 80s, Joe Louis was in his prime in his mid 20s, Ali was in his Prime in his late 20s, Evander Holifield was in his Prime in his late 20s, this talk of 30-35 being a HW's peak yrs is bullshit IMO.

atare · 06-26-2009, 02:35 AM

I heard that
the member of team foreman said
old foreman is much stronger than when he is young.
and foreman also said so, though I don't know the truth.

Farmboxer · 06-26-2009, 02:45 AM

Foreman in his prime has no stamina, punches were wide, he was slow and fought small men. Vitali or Vlad would have outboxed him. This fight can't be proven though, will never happen, of course.

curmudgeon · 06-26-2009, 05:36 AM

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Originally Posted by OBCboxer

With this statement, I know you can't be serious and I am just going to stop wasting my time.

Yes, you should stop wasting your time trying to pretend you know shit about boxing. You are just a fanboy.

curmudgeon · 06-26-2009, 05:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Axel Bowen-Dale

Who the fuck is Chagaev?

Amateur World champion. Defeated Felix Savon for the first of his two titles. Previously undefeated pro world champion ranked at number 3 by Ring magazine.

US fans sucking dicks of Ali/Frazier/Foreman who had been promoted to be the greatest fighting each other in their own backyard are pathetic.

RUSKULL · 06-26-2009, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by TheGreat

Wlad went down 3 times against a fat joke, Brewster was old & damaged goods in the rematch, besides Wlad was the one who got destroyed out of the 2, he was KO'd by a golfer and even had a lot of trouble with TOS, once he knocked Wlad down, don't give me this shit that he deals with aggresive punchers well because he doesn't.

There are so many false statements here that I don't know where to begin.............................

RUSKULL · 06-26-2009, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by PugilisticPower

Ever notice how anyone involving Wlad takes his losses when he wasn't in his prime so fucking seriously but excuses any losses guys like Tyson, Ali, Frazier, Foreman had?

Idiots.

Exactly. Let's compare some Great boxer from the past & let's only consider the very best version of this fighter & let's put him in with the early Wladimir who was beaten by Sanders....................

That fight was fuckin' ages ago!!!! Wlad doesn't only beat his opponents nowadays, he humiliates them & makes them look like they never fought a serious round in their lives. Total absolute domination which is usually followed by a great highlight reel KO.

RUSKULL · 06-26-2009, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by TheGreat

Bull Shit, he had the experiance, , Wlad hasn't froze recently because he hasn't fought anyone since Peter who came in looking to knock him out, at age 28 with over 40 fights and having already beat Byrd I find it comical that that anyone would claim he was not in his Prime.

Mike Tyson was in his prime in the late 80s, Joe Louis was in his prime in his mid 20s, Ali was in his Prime in his late 20s, Evander Holifield was in his Prime in his late 20s, this talk of 30-35 being a HW's peak yrs is bullshit IMO.

I wonder what you'd consider Lewis prime to be?

Rock0052 · 06-26-2009, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by RUSKULL

Exactly. Let's compare some Great boxer from the past & let's only consider the very best version of this fighter & let's put him in with the early Wladimir who was beaten by Sanders....................

That fight was fuckin' ages ago!!!! Wlad doesn't only beat his opponents nowadays, he humiliates them & makes them look like they never fought a serious round in their lives. Total absolute domination which is usually followed by a great highlight reel KO.

They've got a term for that - stacking the deck. They put out the best possible case for their man and the worst possible one for who they're rooting against to make it look like anyone who'd pick the alternative is an idiot. Standard propaganda, really.

It'd be about as blatant as if I kept putting the Sonny Liston from the first Marty Marshall fight in these matchups instead of the version 7-9 years later when he was at his best.

Truth is, "prime Foreman" was a bully of a fighter who was very good, but couldn't handle adversity when it came his way. He got handled vs a past prime Ali when Ali wouldn't cave, lost badly against Young, and then walked away- Holmes would've shredded him if he didn't. He didn't fight his way out of the slump- he left at 28 years old. I wasn't always a big Wlad fan, but he really got my respect by fighting his way out of the rough patch in his career when alot of other fighters historically have let themselves be ruined by a bad loss or a stretch of them.

EpsilonAxis · 06-26-2009, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Jazzo

He'd have toruble with both Wlad and Vitali.

Boro chris · 06-26-2009, 12:45 PM

He'd clean up the division. Wlad, Vit would be the only live opponents but I'd make them rank outsiders. Haye would be brutally despatched within the first two rounds.

spittle8 · 06-26-2009, 05:24 PM

He'd have a big punchers chance with Wlad, but the Wlad of right now probably mutilates him. If Vitali can still fight like he did against Lennox, then he soundly defeats Big George. Everyone else would be mauled by Foreman.

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