Big Daddy Dan's Choi Thread

[53 and counting]

round 1 10-6 manny
round 2 10-9 manny
round 3 10-9 JMM
round 4 10-9 JMM
round 5 10-9 JMM
round 6 10-9 JMM
round 7 10-10 square
round 8 10-9 JMM
round 9 10-9 PAC
round 10 10-9 PAC
round 11 10-9 JMM
round 12 10-9 PAC

Fight 1 115-113 Pac

[53 and counting]

FIGHT 2

Round 1 Pac 10-9
Round 2 JMM 10-9
Round 3 Pac 10-8
Round 4 JMM 10-9
Round 5 JMM 10-9
Round 6 JMM 10-9
Round 7 Pac 10-9
Round 8 JMM 10-9
Round 9 10-9 Pac
Round 10 10-9 Pac
Round 11 10-9 Pac
Round 12 10-10 All Square

116-114 Pac

[1971791]

Without looking at the cards themselves, you must have added them up wrongly.

[GazOC]

Anyone else got Stone Roses tickets?

[Pad-Man]

Originally Posted by GazOC

Anyone else got Stone Roses tickets?

Planned to but they all sold out in record time of like an hour.

Ian Brown aint amazing live but still would of been great to see em get back on the horse so to speak.

War Roses...

[GazOC]

The tickets will be back on sale at more reasonable prices nearer the time. The ticket firms and Ebay sellers are just being greedy at the moment.

[Pad-Man]

Originally Posted by GazOC

The tickets will be back on sale at more reasonable prices nearer the time. The ticket firms and Ebay sellers are just being greedy at the moment.

Hope so mate, really do.

I just hope Oasis get their shit together and regroup. I gotta say though. I am pretty sure they planned teh split so Noal could do his stuff and Liam whilst in their prime. They will no doubt get together but it's how long.

I also take a dislike for the music made by bands when they get big, the early stuff is always the best cos it's close to home and feelings are raw. When bands make it they almost run out of stories to talk about and go down the talking about love route happens every damn time!

[GazOC]

Yeah mate, the dreaded "3rd album syndrome".

[NO MAS]

I didn't get any and am gutted...

I saw them 3 times back in the day, fantastic happy times...

I hope that they release some more, if not, I will be going to a leg of their European Tour... I saw them at La Cigale in Paris in '89...

[GazOC]

I'm going to the Sunday night gig. Probably make a weekend of it in sunny Manchester.

[Longcount]

Anyone know anything about Canadian broadcaster Super Channel Fights? Obviously showing Shobox content and Hennesey shows including the upcoming Tyson Fury fight. Wondered what the connection was between them and C5.

[Pad-Man]

Hennessey is doing some decent business in Canada isn't he mate? He probs passed the contacts on? Pascal is Canadian and his teams probs the ball rolling for him when he got the Froch fight sorted.

[pong]

By Lyle Fitzsimmons

This is a fun time of year.

Around the first week of October, I can usually count on the annual International Boxing Hall of Fame ballot arriving from the boys in Canastota – which ultimately yields both a 1,200-or-so word column in which I announce my votes, and an inbox full of emails telling me I’m a blubbering idiot.

But in 2011, it’s the gift that won’t stop giving.

Rather than simply tucking the most colorful emails into my recycle bin and waiting for next year’s batch to arrive, I decided this time to at least try to turn the cyber lemons into lemonade.

As a general rule, the responses to voting columns can be characterized one of two ways: Either 1) the readers claim the guys I’ve chosen have no earthly business on a Hall of Fame ballot to begin with (See: Ottke, Sven – circa 2009, 2010); or 2) they insist that those I’ve turned thumbs-down on have a clear and irrefutable reason to be included (see: Johnson, Mark – circa 2011).

In truth, there are really no right or wrong answers. It’ll always boil down to one person’s opinion against another’s. And when you think about it, that’s really part of the fun of being a fan, right?

But more so this year than any others, I noticed that people made their cases for fighters based less on their own merits and more on similarities to or successes against fighters already enshrined.

And, funny, the more of those reasonings I received, the less sense they made.

“Hey Lyle, Fighter X is in the Hall of Fame. And because Fighter Y beat him once in three fights and had a similar record against left-handed power-punchers between 1989 and 2002, he belongs in, too, get it?”

Well, in a word… no.

In fact, such logic got me thinking how the overall quality of the Hall has been winnowed down from a true collection of the best of each generation, instead to a gathering of those same all-time greats – alongside a bunch of guys who’ve too often been mere shadows in their spotlights.

Call it “Six Degrees of Trevor Berbick” and a fun game-night exercise with friends.

But it’s got no real place in determining who’s in and who’s out.

So I’ve taken another tack.

Rather than rehashing the few on 2011’s ballot who’d actually add to the building’s aura, here’s a quick list of five culprits guilty of lowering the standards from “all-time great” to “all-time good.”

Take them out, make room for others… and watch the property value rise.

Bobby Chacon (inducted 2005): I get it. The guy’s back story was ridiculously compelling. Frightful beatings. Dramatic comebacks. Life reinventions. But look beyond the obvious action value of his fights and there’s not much to warrant an immortal tag. A one-defense reign at 126 pounds, KO losses to a pair of 130-pound champions followed by another one-defense reign a decade later. Wrap it up with a three-round beatdown by Ray Mancini and it’s thanks for the memories, but no bronze plaque.

Pipino Cuevas (inducted 2002): Quick… what’s your most vivid memory of the former WBA welterweight champion? My guess is anyone who didn’t say his spaghetti-legged KO loss to Thomas Hearns in August 1980 had it second only to the four-round stoppage by Roberto Duran in a battle of ex-titlists 29 months later. In my eyes, if your two biggest moments in the ring were blowout losses to actual Hall of Famers, perhaps you shouldn’t really be called one yourself.

Joe Frazier (inducted 1990): If there’s a more criminally overrated modern fighter, I’d love to hear the case. And as great a trilogy as Smokin’ Joe put on against Muhammad Ali – yes, I’m aware that he won the first one – there’s simply not enough to translate Frazier from North Philadelphia to Central New York. Five fights against Hall-inducted heavies yielded one competitive win, three KO losses and a lifetime of overblown acclaim. Go ahead, take away March 8, 1971 and convince yourself he belongs.

Ken Norton (inducted 1992): Somewhere, when they build the “Hall of All-Time Good,” the awkward ex-Marine from San Diego will have a front-hallway shrine right alongside Frazier’s. But when it comes to the actual Hall, he, too, just doesn’t deserve his own place. Winning one of three close ones against Ali and none against any other enshrinees – not to mention three KO losses in two rounds or less – might make him a Top 5 contender, but he’s not close to a Hall of Famer.

Dwight Muhammad Qawi (inducted 2004): I won’t lie. This dude was one of my favorites. His KO Magazine poster was on my wall. I never missed a fight between Saad Muhammad and Spinks and I looked on with prurient interest when he kept grinding against Holyfield and Foreman. But let’s be serious. He erased a fading action hero, beat two retreads and laid an egg in a chance at 175-pound glory on HBO. Winning a cruiser title and beating Leon Spinks hardly makes a mountain of that molehill.

posted this in the general but its so shockingly retarded i had to post it here

[Pad-Man]

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shocking post, they spent hours writing that complete load of bollocks too, fucking unreal!

[GazOC]

he's right about Chacon and Norton.

(Thats coming from a Chacon fan)