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Old 09-07-2007, 07:03 PM   #1
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Default Joe Gans v.s Floyd Mayweather Jr.

Lightweight Fight.

who wins?
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Old 09-07-2007, 07:13 PM   #2
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If I'm being honest I have to go with Floyd.
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Old 09-08-2007, 01:29 PM   #3
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Gans wins a wide decision. Gans is a complete fighter. He is faster than Mayweather, hits harder than Mayweather, and is more defensively savvy than Mayweather. Floyd will get hurt with Gans speed and amazing power. I'll give Floyd maybe 5 rounds.

Joe Gans UD 15 Floyd Mayweather Jr.
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Old 09-08-2007, 01:54 PM   #4
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As much as I like Gans he loses a close decision here.
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Old 09-08-2007, 02:56 PM   #5
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I would pick Gans here because he is more tested against great fighters and in adverse situations. It would not be a confident pick.

Mayweather is so talented that he simply cannot be counted out against anybody his weight or thereabouts.
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Old 09-08-2007, 03:00 PM   #6
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This is one case where I agree with someone like Amsterdam. I don't think the modern age started until around the 40's, with a few exceptions prior to it. Gans is primitive,
There is nothing primitive about Gans. If you were given ablank sheet of paper to draw up the perfect 45 round fighter it would basicaly be Gans.

The question that nobody has asked is the rule set that this fight takes place under. In a 45 round fight Battling Nelson would bury Floyd Mayweather. It would not take Joe Gans.
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Old 09-08-2007, 03:25 PM   #7
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Mayweather by decision
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Old 09-09-2007, 09:39 AM   #8
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Gans via wide decision he fought the much better opposition and was more complete he could do it he holds a newspaper decision against Barbados Joe Walcott and had a competitive fight against Langford as well as many other great wins. People forget that Floyd struggled with Castillo at this weight.
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Old 09-09-2007, 12:00 PM   #9
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This is one case where I agree with someone like Amsterdam. I don't think the modern age started until around the 40's, with a few exceptions prior to it. Gans is primitive, Floyd is a better fighter head to head. No way in hell he was faster than Floyd by any stretch of the imagination, and based on what I've seen, Mayweather has better defense. For their era, Gans was better and ranks higher as an ATG, but Floyd is better head to head.
Ability in this case is not just a matter of familiar conventional technicalities like combinations and high hands; Gans had the kind of punch anticipation and timing that cannot be taught. He was much like Kostya Tszyu in the way he led you into explosive traps, but he was far quicker off the mark.
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gans by fairly easy ud
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Old 09-09-2007, 03:25 PM   #11
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There is nothing primitive about Gans. If you were given ablank sheet of paper to draw up the perfect 45 round fighter it would basicaly be Gans.

The question that nobody has asked is the rule set that this fight takes place under. In a 45 round fight Battling Nelson would bury Floyd Mayweather. It would not take Joe Gans.
I don't fully agree with this. Old school fighters also fought shorter fights.

Modern fights are expected to be able to adapt from 4 to 6 to 8 to 12 and some even did 15.

The same applies to old school fighters. They fought shorter fights and had the experience of it. If they couldn't adapt, they simply weren't as good as perceived.
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Old 09-09-2007, 04:27 PM   #12
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This is one case where I agree with someone like Amsterdam. I don't think the modern age started until around the 40's, with a few exceptions prior to it. Gans is primitive, Floyd is a better fighter head to head. No way in hell he was faster than Floyd by any stretch of the imagination, and based on what I've seen, Mayweather has better defense. For their era, Gans was better and ranks higher as an ATG, but Floyd is better head to head.
And hey my man, you'll be seeing in due time that it's continuing to evolve and will be sitting here with me on our side of the subject at some point.
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I don't fully agree with this. Old school fighters also fought shorter fights.

Modern fights are expected to be able to adapt from 4 to 6 to 8 to 12 and some even did 15.

The same applies to old school fighters. They fought shorter fights and had the experience of it. If they couldn't adapt, they simply weren't as good as perceived.
The film of old school fighters is almost exclusively of the longer fights. We do not have a good data sample of what style they would use in a shorter fight.
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Old 09-09-2007, 05:11 PM   #14
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The film of old school fighters is almost exclusively of the longer fights. We do not have a good data sample of what style they would use in a shorter fight.
Fair enough. Depends on each fighter and fight.
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Old 09-09-2007, 05:27 PM   #15
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Fair enough. Depends on each fighter and fight.
Sure. There are uncertainties.

There might not be footage of a single four round fight before 1930. You could argue hypotheticaly that the fighters of this period adopted the modern style in shorter fights.

Dempsey Tunney 1 was a ten rounder, and their style did not seem to differ significantly from their longer fights.
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