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Old 09-26-2007, 07:27 PM   #46
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Would Pavlik have any chance of beating Hopkins?

No.

But that's what Taylor did. Twice (albeit in very close fights).

Pavlik is pedestrian and I'm convinced that Taylor will win this easily. Who has Pavlik fought? Miranda. Taylor has been in there with Hopkins and Wright, and is in another league to Pavlik.

Have you guys even looked at Pavlik's record? This guy hasn't fought anyone even remotely in Taylor's league.

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He's getting schooled.

Man... you are in for the shock of your life. I can't wait to see your excuses on Sunday morning after Pavlik has wiped Taylor out with EASE. I'm willing to bet you won't even be around here.


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Old 09-26-2007, 07:54 PM   #47
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Who? Taylor
Why? Manny Steward
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Old 09-27-2007, 04:37 AM   #48
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First comes a 'dish out crow' thread to every Taylor/Hype job apologising fan that underrates some of the best fighters in the world to push their flawed fighters.

Second comes a final 'review' thread of the entire situation involving Jermain Taylor and the media overrating him from day 1 and also how it relates to locking some of the best talent out of potential glory, then how it ties to the circle jerking circuit in one final reviewing essay.

Then we will go over true rankings and see how everyone feels, because if Pavlik blows this guy out, it says a lot about the current state of two former elite's in Hopkins and Wright IMO.
Revenge is a dish best served cold, eh, Amsterdam?
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Old 09-27-2007, 04:44 AM   #49
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If it were 'Nervouxtian' or 'Lance Uppercut' betting against me for six months with their extreme apologist logic, I'd leave them with something brutal, I can't stand either of those tools.
Apologistic? Give me an example of what I've said apologistic. You're too full of yourself to give ANYONE something brutal. Certainly not good enough to give me anything. You're basically a twat who pretends to be a know it all.
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Old 09-27-2007, 07:04 AM   #50
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Would Pavlik have any chance of beating Hopkins?

No.

But that's what Taylor did. Twice (albeit in very close fights).

Pavlik is pedestrian and I'm convinced that Taylor will win this easily. Who has Pavlik fought? Miranda. Taylor has been in there with Hopkins and Wright, and is in another league to Pavlik.

Have you guys even looked at Pavlik's record? This guy hasn't fought anyone even remotely in Taylor's league.

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He's getting schooled.
When was the last time Taylor schooled anybody? Hmmn...let's see. It was the always durable "I damn near got KO'd by Willie Gibbs" Daniel Edouard over two years ago. You're putting way too much emphasis on records, rather than styles. Pavlik poses threats in areas that Winky and Bernard did not. Such as strength, volume punching, height, reach, and most importantly, punching power. Legitimate two-fisted power at that. Smaller men like Winky and Ouma both were able to back Taylor down, and corner him with regularity. What do you expect a bigger, stronger, heavy hitting sturdy chinned fighter to do to him? I'll tell you what...


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Old 09-27-2007, 09:42 AM   #51
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When was the last time Taylor schooled anybody? Hmmn...let's see. It was the always durable "I damn near got KO'd by Willie Gibbs" Daniel Edouard over two years ago. You're putting way too much emphasis on records, rather than styles. Pavlik poses threats in areas that Winky and Bernard did not. Such as strength, volume punching, height, reach, and most importantly, punching power. Legitimate two-fisted power at that. Smaller men like Winky and Ouma both were able to back Taylor down, and corner him with regularity. What do you expect a bigger, stronger, heavy hitting sturdy chinned fighter to do to him? I'll tell you what...


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I assume your theory/arithmetics have a drawback - Winky and Ouma got in Taylor's guard and followed up cause they penetrated from Taylor's leftfield ( where his low left guard is) in the first place and Pavlik will try to get in from Taylor's right field from where he can antecipate and counter-jab better, it makes it a whole different business... Anyway, very well illustrated, you deserve kudos just for that - great piece of work to explain your view.
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Old 09-27-2007, 09:47 AM   #52
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I think it will be a competitive fight that can go either way. I tend to favor Taylor based on his big fight experience, but Pavlik seems hungry and is certainly capable of winning the match.

Should be a good one.
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Old 09-27-2007, 11:42 AM   #53
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taylor has the reputation, experience, and is one of hbo's darlings. unless pavlik can win convincingly (stoppage or wide margin ud) taylor will win by decision.
Taylor is indeed HBO's darling - but you can't get a gift decision when you're OUT COLD on the canvas!

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Old 09-27-2007, 12:03 PM   #54
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When was the last time Taylor schooled anybody? Hmmn...let's see. It was the always durable "I damn near got KO'd by Willie Gibbs" Daniel Edouard over two years ago. You're putting way too much emphasis on records, rather than styles. Pavlik poses threats in areas that Winky and Bernard did not. Such as strength, volume punching, height, reach, and most importantly, punching power. Legitimate two-fisted power at that. Smaller men like Winky and Ouma both were able to back Taylor down, and corner him with regularity. What do you expect a bigger, stronger, heavy hitting sturdy chinned fighter to do to him? I'll tell you what...


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I feel honoured to receive such a brilliant response to my post

However, I still think that quality of opposition will be crucial in this bout. Jermain has been fighting the best out there - in terms of skill, Winky, Hopkins and Spinks are ALL among the best boxers in the world. Ouma's not bad either.

Pavlik is relatively crude compared to any of those guys, and I still think that Jermain will be able to comfortably outbox him - especially with Manny Steward on his team.

Despite some predictions of an early KO for Pavlik, most see this as a long fight. Jermain has been the distance in his last 5 fights; Pavlik has NEVER been 12 rounds - will his stamina hold out if the fight goes beyond 9 rounds?
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