Marvin Hagler v Vito Antuofermo 1

Stevie G · 07-28-2009, 07:30 AM

Still baffled as to how Hagler only got a draw out of this one. Granted he took his foot off the gas in the latter stages and Vito came on strong,yet surely Marvin had built up a comfortable points cushion to take it.

Manassa · 07-28-2009, 07:34 AM

Won it by about two rounds I think. Good fight, might watch it later.

robert ungurean · 07-28-2009, 12:44 PM

I had it if I can remember something like 10 - 4 & 1 even for Hagler.

scartissue · 07-28-2009, 01:16 PM

I had it 8-7 for Hagler, so I didn't have a real problem with the draw decision. The writer for the Associated Press scored it 143-142 for Antuofermo, so the controversy continues. I wonder how the magazines scored it at the time, like Ring or Boxing Illustrated?

Scartissue

bxrfan · 07-28-2009, 01:39 PM

Antoufermo/Hagler

Round 1: 9-10
Round 2: 9-10
Round 3: 9-10
Round 4: 9-10
Round 5: 9-10
Round 6: 10-10
Round 7: 10-9
Round 8: 10-9
Round 9: 10-10
Round 10: 9-10
Round 11: 9-10
Round 12: 9-10
Round 13: 10-9
Round 14: 10-9
Round 15: 10-9

142-145 Hagler

GPater11093 · 07-28-2009, 03:50 PM

im pretty sure i had it fairly clear for Hagler

Rock0052 · 07-28-2009, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by bxrfan

Antoufermo/Hagler

Round 1: 9-10
Round 2: 9-10
Round 3: 9-10
Round 4: 9-10
Round 5: 9-10
Round 6: 10-10
Round 7: 10-9
Round 8: 10-9
Round 9: 10-10
Round 10: 9-10
Round 11: 9-10
Round 12: 9-10
Round 13: 10-9
Round 14: 10-9
Round 15: 10-9

142-145 Hagler

Sounds about right, though I don't have the RBR. Close but clear for Hagler in my book.

TBooze · 07-28-2009, 05:10 PM

Hagler was too cautious late on, and back then (rightly IMO) any benefit of the doubt went to the champion.

Hagler could bitch, but the draw (for the time) was a fair result.

My dinner with Conteh · 07-28-2009, 05:18 PM

Very poor verdict. Hagler was cautious because he thought he had the fight in the bag. Maybe he shouldn't have been, but his margin should have been wide enough to win the title. Judges can't just cross their scoring out from the earlier rounds because late on in the fight if they think "hmm, maybe he hasn't done enough to take the title away". Even if they thought that in the final few rounds, their cards should have still had Marvin in a big enough lead when he did fight like he was 'taking' the title.

Longhhorn71 · 07-28-2009, 05:25 PM

To me Hagler just didn't act like he wanted the Championship.......where Vito, as limited as he was in skill, very much wanted to continue to be champion.

I was disappointed that Hagler didn't win, but I was not surprised at the result back when I saw it live on TV.

klompton · 07-28-2009, 05:33 PM

I thought a draw was fair. Anyone who had it 10-4-1 is fucking nuts.

TBooze · 07-28-2009, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Longhhorn71

To me Hagler just didn't act like he wanted the Championship.......where Vito, as limited as he was in skill, very much wanted to continue to be champion.

I was disappointed that Hagler didn't win, but I was not surprised at the result back when I saw it live on TV.

That was the way I saw it. He would go on to have a Marvelous career, but sometimes Hagler (and the Petronelli's) failed to grab the initiative enough in important fights, and that led to some poor performances (for someone so good) on the resume.

Gesta · 07-28-2009, 06:09 PM

I had Hagler by maybe two/three rounds.

Vito had great conditioning/workrate and Marvin took his foot off the gas and it cost him. Vito did not give Marvin any room to move and fought well in the trenches, Marvin did not use the angles in this bout that he could/should of and the rematch shows this, athough Marvin looked alot hungryer after this bout and maybe we are all better off from the draw that he received.

robert ungurean · 07-28-2009, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by klompton

I thought a draw was fair. Anyone who had it 10-4-1 is fucking nuts.

Watch it again as I did last year when I scored it.Even when Hagler boxed more he still outlanded Vito 4 to 1.This fight was not even close!
So what if Vito became more aggressive and Hagler boxed more,he was still beating the crap out of Vito.

Sonny Carson · 07-28-2009, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by robert ungurean

Watch it again as I did last year when I scored it.Even when Hagler boxed more he still outlanded Vito 4 to 1.This fight was not even close!
So what if Vito became more aggressive and Hagler boxed more,he was still beating the crap out of Vito.

Yep it's not nuts to have it 10-4-1 for Hagler. I think the people who say it was a draw are blind.

07-28-2009, 07:30 AM	#1
Stevie G Undisputed Champion East Side VIP Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: London,England Posts: 10,638 vCash: 1000	Marvin Hagler v Vito Antuofermo 1 Still baffled as to how Hagler only got a draw out of this one. Granted he took his foot off the gas in the latter stages and Vito came on strong,yet surely Marvin had built up a comfortable points cushion to take it.
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07-28-2009, 07:34 AM	#2
Manassa - East Side Guru Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: ESB since '05 Posts: 9,774 vCash: 75	Re: Marvin Hagler v Vito Antuofermo 1 Won it by about two rounds I think. Good fight, might watch it later.
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07-28-2009, 12:44 PM	#3
robert ungurean Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: liftin 3 kettlebells in pa.usa Posts: 2,172 vCash: 1000	Re: Marvin Hagler v Vito Antuofermo 1 I had it if I can remember something like 10 - 4 & 1 even for Hagler.
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07-28-2009, 01:16 PM	#4
scartissue Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,040 vCash: 1000	Re: Marvin Hagler v Vito Antuofermo 1 I had it 8-7 for Hagler, so I didn't have a real problem with the draw decision. The writer for the Associated Press scored it 143-142 for Antuofermo, so the controversy continues. I wonder how the magazines scored it at the time, like Ring or Boxing Illustrated? Scartissue
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07-28-2009, 01:39 PM	#5
bxrfan Sizzle ESB Addict Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Ball So Hard University Posts: 2,336 vCash: 1000	Re: Marvin Hagler v Vito Antuofermo 1 Antoufermo/Hagler Round 1: 9-10 Round 2: 9-10 Round 3: 9-10 Round 4: 9-10 Round 5: 9-10 Round 6: 10-10 Round 7: 10-9 Round 8: 10-9 Round 9: 10-10 Round 10: 9-10 Round 11: 9-10 Round 12: 9-10 Round 13: 10-9 Round 14: 10-9 Round 15: 10-9 142-145 Hagler
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07-28-2009, 03:50 PM	#6
GPater11093 Barry East Side VIP Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Scotland Posts: 26,118 vCash: 836	Re: Marvin Hagler v Vito Antuofermo 1 im pretty sure i had it fairly clear for Hagler
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07-28-2009, 05:10 PM	#8
TBooze Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: South of London Posts: 9,794 vCash: 0	Re: Marvin Hagler v Vito Antuofermo 1 Hagler was too cautious late on, and back then (rightly IMO) any benefit of the doubt went to the champion. Hagler could bitch, but the draw (for the time) was a fair result.
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07-28-2009, 05:18 PM	#9
My dinner with Conteh P4P King East Side VIP Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 21,600 vCash: 1000	Re: Marvin Hagler v Vito Antuofermo 1 Very poor verdict. Hagler was cautious because he thought he had the fight in the bag. Maybe he shouldn't have been, but his margin should have been wide enough to win the title. Judges can't just cross their scoring out from the earlier rounds because late on in the fight if they think "hmm, maybe he hasn't done enough to take the title away". Even if they thought that in the final few rounds, their cards should have still had Marvin in a big enough lead when he did fight like he was 'taking' the title.
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07-28-2009, 05:25 PM	#10
Longhhorn71 Undisputed Champion East Side VIP Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 13,945 vCash: 1000	Re: Marvin Hagler v Vito Antuofermo 1 To me Hagler just didn't act like he wanted the Championship.......where Vito, as limited as he was in skill, very much wanted to continue to be champion. I was disappointed that Hagler didn't win, but I was not surprised at the result back when I saw it live on TV.
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07-28-2009, 05:33 PM	#11
klompton Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 2,851 vCash: 1000	Re: Marvin Hagler v Vito Antuofermo 1 I thought a draw was fair. Anyone who had it 10-4-1 is fucking nuts.
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07-28-2009, 06:09 PM	#13
Gesta Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 3,457 vCash: 300	Re: Marvin Hagler v Vito Antuofermo 1 I had Hagler by maybe two/three rounds. Vito had great conditioning/workrate and Marvin took his foot off the gas and it cost him. Vito did not give Marvin any room to move and fought well in the trenches, Marvin did not use the angles in this bout that he could/should of and the rematch shows this, athough Marvin looked alot hungryer after this bout and maybe we are all better off from the draw that he received.
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