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Old 09-10-2007, 07:01 PM   #31
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Ha! Holmes' jab definetely wasn't harder than Liston's. George Foreman's jab wasn't even harder than Liston's jab.

Anyway, for jabs...

HWs
1. Liston
2. Ali
3. Holmes
4. Louis
5. Foreman
6. Bowe
7. Lewis
8. Tyson
9. Johnson
10. Frazier (underrated IMO)

Other weight classes (in no particular order)
Hearns, Robinson, SR Leonard, Moore, Foster, Arguello, Monzon, Gans, etc.

How can you justify Liston's jab as being better than Ali's?

Ali completly destroyed Liston's jab, i don't think Liston landed more than a handful of jabs in their first fight. His jab is heavy, but slow as ****.
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Old 09-10-2007, 07:09 PM   #32
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Ali knocked down a 250+lb. man with a jab, but nobody is saying his jab had the most power, are they?
Your talking about Buster Mathis, and no, but thats because Ali didn't have a hard jab, he had a quick stinging jab, not a one that would kncok you around like Holmes or Liston's. Ali's jab was more the type that you see hit the person face, squish their nose, and their nose comes right back up. With Holmes and Liston's, their whole head snapped back or got twisted to the side.
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Old 09-10-2007, 07:28 PM   #33
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How can you justify Liston's jab as being better than Ali's?

Ali completly destroyed Liston's jab, i don't think Liston landed more than a handful of jabs in their first fight. His jab is heavy, but slow as ****.
Agreed. But you can't just rate Liston's jab based soley on his showings against Ali. It was used more potently against other opponents. However, Liston could never get into a jabbing battle with Ali, because his jab wasn't fast enough. Ali's reflexes and movement would offset Liston's ability to land if with any regularity.

Holmes could get into a jabathon with Ali, and quite possibly come out the winner.

Watch Holmes' peformance against Rodriguez. He comes in pretty heavy, with some fat around the midsection, thus a little flat-footed. The entire fight is controlled behind Holmes' jab. A lovely boxing display.
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Old 09-10-2007, 07:52 PM   #34
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The best Hagler ever looked with his jab was probably the Sibson fight.

Mugabi and Hamasho I were also very good jabbing displays. That was his best punch.
Havent seen it, even though i prolly should have..

I just know he punished Vito with 1-2s..
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Old 09-11-2007, 03:10 AM   #35
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I just listed HW's, but discounting that these guys are definitely amongst the elitist jabbers from any division, in boxing history. Period.
Yeah, when i saw Quartey in the original post i thought i'd list some lighter fighters. Good stuff mate.
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Old 09-11-2007, 05:01 AM   #36
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Yeah, when i saw Quartey in the original post i thought i'd list some lighter fighters. Good stuff mate.
Lighter fighter? Sammy Mandell,great boxer.
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Old 09-11-2007, 07:11 PM   #37
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Watch Holmes' peformance against Rodriguez. He comes in pretty heavy, with some fat around the midsection, thus a little flat-footed. The entire fight is controlled behind Holmes' jab. A lovely boxing display.
I thought that was a terribly boring fight. Even Larry said/says it was a terrible fight. Rodriguez ran the whole time.
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Old 09-11-2007, 07:36 PM   #38
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I thought that was a terribly boring fight. Even Larry said/says it was a terrible fight. Rodriguez ran the whole time.
Well, the one time I remember Rodriguez going after him, Larry decked him with a right uppercut for his trouble, Carlos Padilla mistakenly ruled it a slip, and once it got past the halfway point, Rodriguez's corner just told him to last the shortened distance. (And at the final bell, Rodriguez momentarily thrust his arms skyward in celebration, only to pull them down quickly upon remembering that Holmes had scored yet another shutout decison.)

Considering all the hats Larry was wearing for this homecoming to Scranton, even serving as promoter of his own title defense, I thought a 12 round shutout was a reasonably decent performance. (At the European level, Rodriguez was actually pretty good at the time. He hadn't lost since dropping a decision to Dokes three years eariler, and had a win over the 15 round limit on his resume. At 31, he was a well experienced veteran.) Part of what made it a lousy fight was the ridiculous superiority of Holmes, but few could compete with Larry at that point. (For his next defense, Witherspoon caught him overtrained, and produced the performance of his career, yet still failed to take the title.)
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Old 09-11-2007, 07:46 PM   #39
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I thought that was a terribly boring fight. Even Larry said/says it was a terrible fight. Rodriguez ran the whole time.
Not many hand grenades by Holmes, but I thought his jab was pretty much in full tune that night.
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Old 09-12-2007, 04:35 PM   #40
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oscar de la hoya had a great jab when he used it
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Old 09-12-2007, 04:36 PM   #41
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thomas hearns had one of the best jabs ever. gave the sugar man and comapnay fits

ken buchanan had a great jab
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Old 09-12-2007, 04:38 PM   #42
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ray robinson never seemed to use his that much. he relied a lot on his fast combos
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