Lennox Lewis vs Joe Frazier

[mcvey]

Originally Posted by Sweet Science

I'm a big Ali fan, but I remember watching FOTC on numerous occasions and always being surprised by how many jabs Frazier was able to make Ali miss with. Ali was normally very accurate with the jab but Frazier did make him miss a hell of a lot.

This was a man who had had less than 18 rds of actual competition in nearly four years,for what its worth prime Ali,thats the guy we never saw beats frazier 3 out of 3,imo.

[mcvey]

Originally Posted by mr. magoo

You obviously didn't read my whole post,

I clearly favoured Lewis in this matchup, but merely listed some of Frazier's qualities.

A bit of advice for the future : OR

I read all your post and was taking issue with your inaccurate assertion that Frazier had "DEVASTATING POWER IN BOTH HANDS",he didnt.And Dont tell me to STFU<You BLIND P***K!,Get off the tread and put Waldo on!.

[Senya13]

It'll take just 2 or 3 rounds for Lewis to KTFO Frazier. Too smal, not very powerful hitter and with only slightly above average chin.

[mr. magoo]

Originally Posted by mcvey

I read all your post and was taking issue with your inaccurate assertion that Frazier had "DEVASTATING POWER IN BOTH HANDS",he didnt.And Dont tell me to STFU<You BLIND P***K!,Get off the tread and put Waldo on!.

[achillesthegreat]

Lewis wins 2 of 3.

[Sweet Science]

Originally Posted by mcvey

This was a man who had had less than 18 rds of actual competition in nearly four years,for what its worth prime Ali,thats the guy we never saw beats frazier 3 out of 3,imo.

I agree, but prime Ali (the one we never saw or '67 Ali) beats any heavyweight in history 3 out of 3. The Ali that Frazier '71 faced was still a great fighter despite the lay off. '71 Ali would have beaten most fighters including Lewis.

[Vanboxingfan]

Originally Posted by Sweet Science

I agree, but prime Ali (the one we never saw or '67 Ali) beats any heavyweight in history 3 out of 3. The Ali that Frazier '71 faced was still a great fighter despite the lay off. '71 Ali would have beaten most fighters including Lewis.

Why's that?

Ali was a great fighter, but this idea that he was unbeatable just doesn't jive with the facts.

He had a lot of bad habits that Lewis could potentially exploit. He tended to go straight back when backing up, he never had much of a body attack, he didn't have anywhere near the power Lewis had, and he tended to always pull Frazier head down, that certainly wouldn't work against the much bigger Lewis who would likely be throwing upper cuts in that situation.

So I think while the younger quicker version of Ali might have been able to beat Lewis with his speed, I certainly don't think the past prime Ali would beat him. Ali's main attributes were speed and his ability to take a punch. If he looses the former, the latter only ensures he's around til the end.

I'd also give other fighters, particular a prime Tyson and Holyfield, and perhaps Louis a reasonable chances to beat this version of Ali as well. Oh almost forgot about Holmes, he too would likely beat this version of Ali.

[mcvey]

Originally Posted by mr. magoo

I was joking of course!

[mr. magoo]

Originally Posted by mcvey

I was joking of course!

Fair enough, I got a bit carried away with my comments as well

[mcvey]

[Executioner]

Originally Posted by Senya13

It'll take just 2 or 3 rounds for Lewis to KTFO Frazier. Too smal, not very powerful hitter and with only slightly above average chin.

what? Joe was a VERY powerful hitter.

[Senya13]

He wore people down by accumulation of punches. Sometimes literally hundreds of punches. His left hook is surely overrated like hell.

[brooklyn1550]

Originally Posted by Senya13

He wore people down by accumulation of punches. Sometimes literally hundreds of punches. His left hook is surely overrated like hell.

His left hook is surely hard as hell

[Senya13]

Several other fighters needed just one punch on a still fresh (not worn down after 14 rounds of hell) Ali to put him on the canvas.

[mr. magoo]

Originally Posted by Senya13

Several other fighters needed just one punch on a still fresh (not worn down after 14 rounds of hell) Ali to put him on the canvas.

Several?

How many fighters can you list who actually floored Ali, particularly when he was in his prime? I counted maybe 4 times when Ali was down, and only one of them came in his prime to a hard puncher ( Frazier ) Two others came before he had peaked, while the 4th occured past his prime. And keep in mind, I'm talking professional ranks here.