Marciano Vs Dempsey - Page 2

Vanboxingfan · 09-11-2007, 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by bb251

Marciano wins... Dempsey might have knocked him down early with his ferocious pace but the Rock would've been able to survive that 1st round. The Rock would wear him down into the late rounds where he would have stopped Jack late... Remember Dempsey was KO'd by Fireman Jim Flynn in 1 round in 1917... So the Rock could've found his chin as well... Marciano KO via round 14...

Dempsey has also KO'd more fighters in the first round than any fighter in history and his win over Willard was so brutal that it had some wondering whether or not his gloves were loaded, and Dempsey was certainly faster than Marciano.

bb251 · 09-11-2007, 02:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Vanboxingfan

Dempsey has also KO'd more fighters in the first round than any fighter in history and his win over Willard was so brutal that it had some wondering whether or not his gloves were loaded, and Dempsey was certainly faster than Marciano.

That's all true but The Rock was never knocked out bro... Nobody even came close... And lets not try to compare Willard with the Rock my man... You lose all credibilty on that one. Don't forget how many times Dempsey was knocked down in his career as well. He was a savage for sure but the Rock puts him away late... And speaking of KO's, the Rock has the highest percentage of KO's in Heavyweight history with an 87% KO ratio... Tough to beat a guy who you can't KO, and who can KO you...

Maxmomer · 09-11-2007, 02:31 AM

If Dempsey was unable to KO or TKO Rocky he could easily change his tactics and box his way to a decision if he had to. Both fighters were durable, Marciano slightly more so, but Dempsey was tough enough to last if it did wind up going the distance. Dempsey also had great stamina and was more than capable of going 15 good rounds in his prime, as he did so against Tommy Gibbons after a two year lay off when he was past it. And, while Rocky had a better right cross, Dempsey's left hook was superior to Marciano's. Anyway, I honestly don't think this fight would go past the mid rounds.

bb251 · 09-11-2007, 02:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Maxmomer

If Dempsey was unable to KO or TKO Rocky he could easily change his tactics and box his way to a decision if he had to. Both fighters were durable, Marciano slightly more so, but Dempsey was tough enough to last if it did wind up going the distance. Dempsey also had great stamina and was more than capable of going 15 good rounds in his prime, as he did so against Tommy Gibbons after a two year lay off when he was past it. And, while Rocky had a better right cross, Dempsey's left hook was superiors to Marciano's. Anyway, I honestly don't think this fight would go past the mid rounds.

Yeah man it would have been one of the best fights ever!!! I too think Jack could've gone the distance, but I think he'd of been slowed tremendiously by the Rock's power shots for 14-15 rounds...

Maxmomer · 09-11-2007, 02:46 AM

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Originally Posted by bb251

Yeah man it would have been one of the best fights ever!!! I too think Jack could've gone the distance, but I think he'd of been slowed tremendousely by the Rock's power shots for 14-15 rounds...

Yeah, it would have been a war. I'm actually glad it never could have happened in real life, as someone would have gotten seriously permanently fucked up.

Decker · 09-11-2007, 05:29 AM

One of the great "what if" match ups. Hard to pick. If they faught 3X, hard to see one guy sweeping all 3 fights. Most likely 2-1 or even 1-1-1 between these two greats.

PATSYS · 09-11-2007, 06:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Vanboxingfan

What he said.

Interesting enough boxing experts in 1960 did a poll based on fighters they actually seen, and Dempsey came out way ahead of everyone, including Louis. As one historian once said, who are we to question those who had considerable boxing knowledge and actually saw both of them fight?

Actually I read somewhere that says during the 60s, Marciano was hardly in a typical top 10 greatest HW all time. Now, people are even arguing he is GOAT.

Maxmomer · 09-11-2007, 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by PATSYS

Actually I read somewhere that says during the 60s, Marciano was hardly in a typical top 10 greatest HW all time. Now, people are even arguing he is GOAT.

In that particular poll Marciano pulled in 7th with Dempsey 1st. The people that participated were boxing experts, many of whom saw both men fight first hand.

Bummy Davis · 09-11-2007, 06:39 AM

Punchers dream, fight is a war for 10 rounds with both men hit and staggered, Marciano punch rate increases afther the 4-5th round of give and take and is really coming on in the 9th and 10th when he lands a right hand flush on a tired Jack's Jaw, Dempsey goes down hard for the count

McGrain · 09-11-2007, 06:43 AM

Dempsey by moider.

Maxmomer · 09-11-2007, 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by McGrain

Dempsey by moider.

Fuck right! I don't know why so many people have this belief that Dempsey would tire and wear out so much more than Marciano. Dempsey would out maneuver, out speed and out land Marciano to a referee stoppage. I wish Duodenum was here.

Grebfan9 · 09-11-2007, 09:09 AM

I am a fan of both Dempsey and Marciano. Heres my take -
Jack fought GREAT against BIG heavyweights. When he faced
smaller heavyweights (in weight, not necassarily in their height)
Jack sometimes struggled. Gunboat Smith gave Jack a tough
fight and so did Tommy Gibbons, who was really a lightheavyweight.
Also, Willie Meehan was a real pain to Dempsey as well.

I think that Marciano would fight out of that funny type of crouch
and slowly get to Jack. Dempsey would have his moments as well,
but I think that Marciano would take the fight inside and slowly
wear down Jack.

Styles make fights. I think that Dempsey was actually the more
naturally talented fighter and Dempsey would have handled the
modern day BIG heavyweights with much more ease than Rocky.

Rocky would have had more of a difficult time with the modern
heavyweights because Rocky did not possess Dempsey's speed
and footwork. Also, Rocky's short reach would really handicap
him against these 6' 6" fighters.

Maxmomer · 09-11-2007, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Grebfan9

I think that Marciano would fight out of that funny type of crouch
and slowly get to Jack. Dempsey would have his moments as well,
but I think that Marciano would take the fight inside and slowly
wear down Jack.

Yeah, cause Dempsey couldn't fight inside for shit. I'm curious, what do people think Jack will be doing while Marciano is "wearing him down"? My guess, beating the living fuck out of Marciano.

fists of fury · 09-11-2007, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by McGrain

Dempsey by moider.

A tad harsh, methinks.

Maxmomer · 09-11-2007, 09:29 AM

As for Dempsey having trouble with smaller fighters. Gibbons/Meehan and Marciano are nothing alike style wise. And are you referring to the gunboat Smith Dempsey dropped in 2? Gibbons himself said that Dempsey could beat anyone he could hit, I doubt Dempsey would have much trouble landing on Marciano. I also think you should keep in account that the two best punchers Marciano faced both dropped him and Dempsey has a much better left hook than Walcott did, also, if Ezzard Charles can last 15 against Marciano, I'm sure Dempsey could.

View Poll Results: WHO WINS
MARCIANO	56	51.85%
DEMPSEY	49	45.37%
DRAW	3	2.78%
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09-11-2007, 02:31 AM	#18
Maxmomer Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 5,634 vCash: 619	Re: Macriano Vs Dempsey If Dempsey was unable to KO or TKO Rocky he could easily change his tactics and box his way to a decision if he had to. Both fighters were durable, Marciano slightly more so, but Dempsey was tough enough to last if it did wind up going the distance. Dempsey also had great stamina and was more than capable of going 15 good rounds in his prime, as he did so against Tommy Gibbons after a two year lay off when he was past it. And, while Rocky had a better right cross, Dempsey's left hook was superior to Marciano's. Anyway, I honestly don't think this fight would go past the mid rounds. Last edited by Maxmomer; 09-11-2007 at 09:57 AM.
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09-11-2007, 05:29 AM	#21
Decker Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 703 vCash: 1000	Re: Macriano Vs Dempsey One of the great "what if" match ups. Hard to pick. If they faught 3X, hard to see one guy sweeping all 3 fights. Most likely 2-1 or even 1-1-1 between these two greats.
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09-11-2007, 06:39 AM	#24
Bummy Davis Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: New York Posts: 8,171 vCash: 1000	Re: Macriano Vs Dempsey Punchers dream, fight is a war for 10 rounds with both men hit and staggered, Marciano punch rate increases afther the 4-5th round of give and take and is really coming on in the 9th and 10th when he lands a right hand flush on a tired Jack's Jaw, Dempsey goes down hard for the count
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09-11-2007, 06:43 AM	#25
McGrain Diamond Dog East Side VIP Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 63,236 vCash: 1000	Re: Macriano Vs Dempsey Dempsey by moider.
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09-11-2007, 09:09 AM	#27
Grebfan9 Journeyman ESB Jr Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 224 vCash: 1000	Re: Macriano Vs Dempsey I am a fan of both Dempsey and Marciano. Heres my take - Jack fought GREAT against BIG heavyweights. When he faced smaller heavyweights (in weight, not necassarily in their height) Jack sometimes struggled. Gunboat Smith gave Jack a tough fight and so did Tommy Gibbons, who was really a lightheavyweight. Also, Willie Meehan was a real pain to Dempsey as well. I think that Marciano would fight out of that funny type of crouch and slowly get to Jack. Dempsey would have his moments as well, but I think that Marciano would take the fight inside and slowly wear down Jack. Styles make fights. I think that Dempsey was actually the more naturally talented fighter and Dempsey would have handled the modern day BIG heavyweights with much more ease than Rocky. Rocky would have had more of a difficult time with the modern heavyweights because Rocky did not possess Dempsey's speed and footwork. Also, Rocky's short reach would really handicap him against these 6' 6" fighters.
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09-11-2007, 09:29 AM	#30
Maxmomer Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 5,634 vCash: 619	Re: Macriano Vs Dempsey As for Dempsey having trouble with smaller fighters. Gibbons/Meehan and Marciano are nothing alike style wise. And are you referring to the gunboat Smith Dempsey dropped in 2? Gibbons himself said that Dempsey could beat anyone he could hit, I doubt Dempsey would have much trouble landing on Marciano. I also think you should keep in account that the two best punchers Marciano faced both dropped him and Dempsey has a much better left hook than Walcott did, also, if Ezzard Charles can last 15 against Marciano, I'm sure Dempsey could. Last edited by Maxmomer; 09-11-2007 at 09:58 AM.
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