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Old 11-26-2014, 04:10 AM   #1
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Default kettlebells??? how good at they for a fighter

i recently started training with kettlebells and they feel awesome


i feel stronger in grip and hitting
and not stiff like you do after some types of weight training


anyways what do you guys think of them?

for fighting or just in general?

ps this guy is the man

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Old 11-26-2014, 07:02 AM   #2
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They're bad for movement, teaches you to lock your knees and hips together. If you do them every now and then for some conditioning they're okay but it has little to do with boxing or athletic movements, and it's not strength training unless you're very weak.
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Old 11-26-2014, 07:12 AM   #3
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Weight training is a good thing, regardless of who you are or what you do.

Appropriate use of kb's or any other heavy objects, can only benefit athletes.
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Old 11-26-2014, 07:59 AM   #4
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Weight training is a good thing, regardless of who you are or what you do.

Appropriate use of kb's or any other heavy objects, can only benefit athletes.
It depends on the level of athlete and their training age. For an experienced athlete who regularly squats and performs cleans with a relatively heavy load and good technique then going and doing anything with kettlebells is just going to be detrimental, and a waste of their time at best.
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Old 11-26-2014, 08:03 AM   #5
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They're bad for movement, teaches you to lock your knees and hips together. If you do them every now and then for some conditioning they're okay but it has little to do with boxing or athletic movements, and it's not strength training unless you're very weak.
How is it not strength training? they are a weight you can use for most muscles and combined with the cardio side you do increase strength...and or why would that only work if you were incredibly weak?
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interesting for people who say they are a waste of time

have you guys actually done real kettlebell training

i dont mind mean some swings here and there with bad form

the place i went actually does the sport of kettlebell

and the the fact you combine power movements and cardio
is good for a fighter

thats why quiet a few conditioning coaches now
use kettlebell in the routine.


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Old 11-26-2014, 03:27 PM   #7
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the place i went actually does the sport of kettlebell
Lol. What?
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Old 11-26-2014, 04:24 PM   #8
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he means the jerk competitions etc
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It depends on the level of athlete and their training age. For an experienced athlete who regularly squats and performs cleans with a relatively heavy load and good technique then going and doing anything with kettlebells is just going to be detrimental, and a waste of their time at best.
Plenty athletes use kb's in context of endurance / work capacity stuff, no?
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How is it not strength training? they are a weight you can use for most muscles and combined with the cardio side you do increase strength...and or why would that only work if you were incredibly weak?
If they are not challenging your strength then they are making you weaker. Anything combined with cardio is going to make you weaker, if you can use something for cardio it's not strength work.
If you're incredibly weak you might notice some gains in strength from mucking around with kettlebells, mostly from muscle coordination and waking up your CNS a bit.
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Plenty athletes use kb's in context of endurance / work capacity stuff, no?
I've never seen it personally. Endurance/work capacity is very specific to your actual sport, I haven't seen anybody throw kettlebells around a field. It could have a place in the pre season for general conditioning but the movements don't replicate athletic movements and are going to have a detrimental effect if they also perform olympic lifts.
Kb's are a good fitness tool for an exercise mummy but in an athletic setting I've only ever seen them collect dust in the corner and get used for teaching goblet squats to beginners.
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I've never seen it personally. Endurance/work capacity is very specific to your actual sport, I haven't seen anybody throw kettlebells around a field. It could have a place in the pre season for general conditioning but the movements don't replicate athletic movements and are going to have a detrimental effect if they also perform olympic lifts.
Kb's are a good fitness tool for an exercise mummy but in an athletic setting I've only ever seen them collect dust in the corner and get used for teaching goblet squats to beginners.
Well, that solves everything, you've never seen it before, so it must not be done.

Good thing boxers don't work out on a "field."

The Lakers Head Strength and Conditioning coach, the strength and conditioning coach (or former, lol) of Lance Armstrong, and Gray Cook, whom trains NFL, NBA, MLS, and MLB players all use kettlebells as part of their training protocol.

For boxers, I believe kettlebells are an excellent tool to help them build both high levels of strength and conditioning. You can't tell me that a 165 lb athlete throwing around a 100 lb kettlebell does nothing for his/her strength.
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This guy is a weak bltch right here.

He's literally lifting dealt_with's entire bodyweight above his head with one arm.

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This guy is a weak bltch right here.

He's literally lifting dealt_with's entire bodyweight above his head with one arm.

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Why not perform, you know an actual jerk with a respectable weight? What's the point of a big guy like that doing a one handed jerks with only 72kg? It's primarily a leg exercise and 72kg is pitiful.
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Well, that solves everything, you've never seen it before, so it must not be done.

Good thing boxers don't work out on a "field."

The Lakers Head Strength and Conditioning coach, the strength and conditioning coach (or former, lol) of Lance Armstrong, and Gray Cook, whom trains NFL, NBA, MLS, and MLB players all use kettlebells as part of their training protocol.

For boxers, I believe kettlebells are an excellent tool to help them build both high levels of strength and conditioning. You can't tell me that a 165 lb athlete throwing around a 100 lb kettlebell does nothing for his/her strength.
The sport is for conditioning, weights are for strength. You don't seem to understand this simple concept. Combining both is just re****ed if you're a serious athlete. You should try crossfit bro
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