Where Do You Rank Evander Holyfield As A Heavyweight? - Page 5

Holmes' Jab · 08-18-2009, 07:57 AM

I put him at #10.

MrSmall · 08-18-2009, 08:56 AM

I think he's an awesome fighter, in his prime he had speed, footwork, chin, power, combinations, movement.

lefthook31 · 08-18-2009, 09:59 AM

Holyfield fits nicely into the top 10 for sure. How many fighters have defeated another great fighter in their respective prime. He has three solid former greats that were extremely competitive in the top ten during the time he faced them on his ledger, and two or three short term title holders. He was never blown out by fighters he was a big favorite over and always competitive on the elite level. Not to mention he is a four time title holder.
Its ridiculous to think there is many fighters that have accomplished more than Evander. Qaulity will always be better than quantity and there is few that have the resume of Evander Holyfield.

rekcutnevets · 08-22-2009, 08:45 PM

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Posted by Quick Cash
I might be wrong, but wasn't his record just 13 successful defenses? That would put him behind at least three other men by my reckoning. Louis famously set the record high at 25 consecutive defenses. Holmes has 20. And Ali mustered a total of 19 over two reigns aswell (excluding his defenses pre-Foreman of the newly invented NABF heavyweight belt).

This is completely beside the point you were making, but for the sake of accuracy...

When you drink a lot, cut and paste a lot, and post in forums a lot; tons of unintentional shit happens. You are correct, I fucked up. 14, I think, is the correct number of defenses.

frankenfrank · 08-23-2009, 01:08 PM

Surely in any list that Joe Louis is in and not lower. the same can be said , although reasonably more controversial even about ali (somehow i can understand those who won't agree about the latter).
Again : Imagine how louis would have fared against holyfield oposition :
Bowe X 3 , Lewis X 2 , Tyson X 2 , Foreman , Holmes , Moorer X 2 ,
Ruiz X 3 (MAYBE here he'd have some success , maybier in moorer's case) , Toney , Qawi X 2 , Tillman , Byrd (remember that charles did beat louis , same desrved by walcott) , Ibragimov , James Douglas etc.
It doesn't end is it ? and i forgot some or many.
Louis retired when he retired , think of evander retiring the same age - his resume might have looked better to some of you.

Zakman · 09-24-2009, 11:34 PM

#7. And yes, above Lewis!

rekcutnevets · 09-24-2009, 11:37 PM

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Posted by rekcutnevets
When you drink a lot, cut and paste a lot, and post in forums a lot; tons of unintentional shit happens. You are correct, I fucked up. 14, I think, is the correct number of defenses.

This asshole clearly can't handle criticism.

09-24-2009, 11:53 PM

anywhere after top 10

roscoe · 09-25-2009, 12:13 AM

As much as I like Lewis, I rate Holyfield higher than him in the atg stakes as a heavy. In his prime he would of dusted Lewis fairly convincing imo. Both great fighters though.

Rumsfeld · 09-25-2009, 01:07 AM

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10-14.

I'd say 11-15.

rm36 · 09-25-2009, 01:22 AM

10-15. An all-time great, but like everyone else says, inconsistent.

GDG · 09-25-2009, 04:47 AM

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Originally Posted by lefthook31

That doesnt really answer the question. He beat Holyfield twice, but did he beat a prime Holyfield? To me its not a super impressive feat to avenge your losses against mid level contenders in Mcall and Rahman either. Avenging against another top level fighter like Bowe or Tyson would definitely be much bigger if it was on that level. Beating the best of the next generation and the generation he was involved in, was not that great in my opinion, and certainly doesnt have the quality of opposition that Holyfield faced.

IMO Holyfield has one win that is better than any of Lewis', and that is Bowe. But it's no secret Bowe wanted none of Lennox and and Holyfield lost the trilogy anyway.

Add to that he weant 1-1 with Michael Moorer and lost twice to Lennox himself.

He never seemed to dominate the division in the way Lennox did either.

GDG · 09-25-2009, 04:49 AM

I personally think 8-15 would be fair...but that's quite a big range.

I have him at 12.

DamonD · 09-25-2009, 05:03 AM

Uh, I think I have him around #7 at the moment.

Stevie G · 09-25-2009, 07:37 AM

I always have problems in which order to place Holyfield,Lewis and Tyson. All three of them would be in my lower part of top 10 heavies.

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08-18-2009, 08:56 AM	#62
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lefthook31 Undisputed Champion East Side VIP Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: in a boxing gym near you Posts: 10,498 vCash: 1000	Re: Where Do You Rank Evander Holyfield As A Heavyweight? Holyfield fits nicely into the top 10 for sure. How many fighters have defeated another great fighter in their respective prime. He has three solid former greats that were extremely competitive in the top ten during the time he faced them on his ledger, and two or three short term title holders. He was never blown out by fighters he was a big favorite over and always competitive on the elite level. Not to mention he is a four time title holder. Its ridiculous to think there is many fighters that have accomplished more than Evander. Qaulity will always be better than quantity and there is few that have the resume of Evander Holyfield.
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08-23-2009, 01:08 PM	#65
frankenfrank Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 6,961 vCash: 3950	Re: Where Do You Rank Evander Holyfield As A Heavyweight? Surely in any list that Joe Louis is in and not lower. the same can be said , although reasonably more controversial even about ali (somehow i can understand those who won't agree about the latter). Again : Imagine how louis would have fared against holyfield oposition : Bowe X 3 , Lewis X 2 , Tyson X 2 , Foreman , Holmes , Moorer X 2 , Ruiz X 3 (MAYBE here he'd have some success , maybier in moorer's case) , Toney , Qawi X 2 , Tillman , Byrd (remember that charles did beat louis , same desrved by walcott) , Ibragimov , James Douglas etc. It doesn't end is it ? and i forgot some or many. Louis retired when he retired , think of evander retiring the same age - his resume might have looked better to some of you.
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09-24-2009, 11:34 PM	#66
Zakman ESB's Chinchecker East Side VIP Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: The Ivory Tower Posts: 40,639 vCash: 500	Re: Where Do You Rank Evander Holyfield As A Heavyweight? #7. And yes, above Lewis!
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09-24-2009, 11:53 PM	#68
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09-25-2009, 12:13 AM	#69
roscoe Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 2,378 vCash: 255	Re: Where Do You Rank Evander Holyfield As A Heavyweight? As much as I like Lewis, I rate Holyfield higher than him in the atg stakes as a heavy. In his prime he would of dusted Lewis fairly convincing imo. Both great fighters though.
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09-25-2009, 01:22 AM	#71
rm36 Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Land of Perma-ban Posts: 9,702 vCash: 166	Re: Where Do You Rank Evander Holyfield As A Heavyweight? 10-15. An all-time great, but like everyone else says, inconsistent.
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09-25-2009, 04:49 AM	#73
GDG Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,408 vCash: 1000	Re: Where Do You Rank Evander Holyfield As A Heavyweight? I personally think 8-15 would be fair...but that's quite a big range. I have him at 12.
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09-25-2009, 05:03 AM	#74
DamonD Undisputed Champion East Side VIP Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Tavistock, England Posts: 10,384 vCash: 1000	Re: Where Do You Rank Evander Holyfield As A Heavyweight? Uh, I think I have him around #7 at the moment.
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09-25-2009, 07:37 AM	#75
Stevie G Undisputed Champion East Side VIP Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: London,England Posts: 10,631 vCash: 1000	Re: Where Do You Rank Evander Holyfield As A Heavyweight? I always have problems in which order to place Holyfield,Lewis and Tyson. All three of them would be in my lower part of top 10 heavies.
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