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Old 08-18-2009, 08:57 AM   #61
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I put him at #10.
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Old 08-18-2009, 09:56 AM   #62
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I think he's an awesome fighter, in his prime he had speed, footwork, chin, power, combinations, movement.
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Old 08-18-2009, 10:59 AM   #63
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Holyfield fits nicely into the top 10 for sure. How many fighters have defeated another great fighter in their respective prime. He has three solid former greats that were extremely competitive in the top ten during the time he faced them on his ledger, and two or three short term title holders. He was never blown out by fighters he was a big favorite over and always competitive on the elite level. Not to mention he is a four time title holder.
Its ridiculous to think there is many fighters that have accomplished more than Evander. Qaulity will always be better than quantity and there is few that have the resume of Evander Holyfield.
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Old 08-22-2009, 09:45 PM   #64
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I might be wrong, but wasn't his record just 13 successful defenses? That would put him behind at least three other men by my reckoning. Louis famously set the record high at 25 consecutive defenses. Holmes has 20. And Ali mustered a total of 19 over two reigns aswell (excluding his defenses pre-Foreman of the newly invented NABF heavyweight belt).

This is completely beside the point you were making, but for the sake of accuracy...
When you drink a lot, cut and paste a lot, and post in forums a lot; tons of unintentional **** happens. You are correct, I ****ed up. 14, I think, is the correct number of defenses.
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Old 08-23-2009, 02:08 PM   #65
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Surely in any list that Joe Louis is in and not lower. the same can be said , although reasonably more controversial even about ali (somehow i can understand those who won't agree about the latter).
Again : Imagine how louis would have fared against holyfield oposition :
Bowe X 3 , Lewis X 2 , Tyson X 2 , Foreman , Holmes , Moorer X 2 ,
Ruiz X 3 (MAYBE here he'd have some success , maybier in moorer's case) , Toney , Qawi X 2 , Tillman , Byrd (remember that charles did beat louis , same desrved by walcott) , Ibragimov , James Douglas etc.
It doesn't end is it ? and i forgot some or many.
Louis retired when he retired , think of evander retiring the same age - his resume might have looked better to some of you.
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Old 09-25-2009, 12:34 AM   #66
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#7. And yes, above Lewis!
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Old 09-25-2009, 12:37 AM   #67
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When you drink a lot, cut and paste a lot, and post in forums a lot; tons of unintentional **** happens. You are correct, I ****ed up. 14, I think, is the correct number of defenses.
This asshole clearly can't handle criticism.
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Old 09-25-2009, 12:53 AM   #68
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anywhere after top 10
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Old 09-25-2009, 01:13 AM   #69
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As much as I like Lewis, I rate Holyfield higher than him in the atg stakes as a heavy. In his prime he would of dusted Lewis fairly convincing imo. Both great fighters though.
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Old 09-25-2009, 02:07 AM   #70
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10-14.
I'd say 11-15.

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Old 09-25-2009, 02:22 AM   #71
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10-15. An all-time great, but like everyone else says, inconsistent.
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Old 09-25-2009, 05:47 AM   #72
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That doesnt really answer the question. He beat Holyfield twice, but did he beat a prime Holyfield? To me its not a super impressive feat to avenge your losses against mid level contenders in Mcall and Rahman either. Avenging against another top level fighter like Bowe or Tyson would definitely be much bigger if it was on that level. Beating the best of the next generation and the generation he was involved in, was not that great in my opinion, and certainly doesnt have the quality of opposition that Holyfield faced.

IMO Holyfield has one win that is better than any of Lewis', and that is Bowe. But it's no secret Bowe wanted none of Lennox and and Holyfield lost the trilogy anyway.

Add to that he weant 1-1 with Michael Moorer and lost twice to Lennox himself.

He never seemed to dominate the division in the way Lennox did either.
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Old 09-25-2009, 05:49 AM   #73
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I personally think 8-15 would be fair...but that's quite a big range.

I have him at 12.
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Old 09-25-2009, 06:03 AM   #74
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Uh, I think I have him around #7 at the moment.
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Old 09-25-2009, 08:37 AM   #75
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I always have problems in which order to place Holyfield,Lewis and Tyson. All three of them would be in my lower part of top 10 heavies.
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