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View Poll Results: Who wins?
Louis by KO/TKO 158 50.48%
Louis by decision 36 11.50%
Draw 3 0.96%
Vitali by KO/TKO 99 31.63%
Vitali by decision 17 5.43%
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Old 08-18-2009, 04:33 AM   #16
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12 rounds, who wins?
This is the first Schmeling fight all over again ,except that it only goes 3 rounds

VITALI VANQUISHES MR BARROW with a dynamite right cross which allmost decapitates the tiny Louis.

Louis his face swollen from monster jabs ,mumbles through mashed lips, "Aah done my best" "the man was too good, and way too big for me".
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".I would like to dedicate this fight to Mr CHames Cheffries,and to my new trainer Dr Z."





















Reality,Louis beats a symphony of pain on the Ukrainians body ,till the giant is helpless,the finish is the classic left jab right cross,that kod Braddock.Klitscko takes the referee out with him as he falls,and the ten is counted off by the timekeeper.
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Old 08-18-2009, 04:39 AM   #17
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I think Joe Louis wins by TKO inside 8 rounds.

I dont agree with those who reckon Vitali to be much better than Carnera. Yeah, Vitali has a better chin, but Carnera was more mobile and boxed just as well.
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Old 08-18-2009, 04:47 AM   #18
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I think Joe Louis wins by TKO inside 8 rounds.

I dont agree with those who reckon Vitali to be much better than Carnera. Yeah, Vitali has a better chin, but Carnera was more mobile and boxed just as well.
Carnera was not in Vitali's league for power or durability.
Imagine Carnera in with Lewis, it would have been horrible, like watching a hamstrung wildebeast being cut down by a lion.
Vitali gave Lewis a close fight before cuts intervened.
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Old 08-18-2009, 05:03 AM   #19
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Louis TKO 7.
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Old 08-18-2009, 05:12 AM   #20
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Let's see, who's gonna win. REAL TOUGH ONE HERE FOLKS!!!!

This guy? 6"2, 200 lbs

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Or this guy? 6"7, 250 lbs

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Old 08-18-2009, 05:14 AM   #21
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When Klitschko KOs him he will send him back in time where he belongs.
Thisaintno1936imsendingyoubackmercyKO punch.
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Old 08-18-2009, 05:16 AM   #22
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This would be Louis against Carnera all over again
Oh so anybody who beats Valuev would handily beat Vitali?

What about Julius Long? Anybody who KOs Long could KO Vitali?

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Old 08-18-2009, 05:25 AM   #23
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Let's see, who's gonna win. REAL TOUGH ONE HERE FOLKS!!!!

This guy? 6"2, 200 lbs

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Yeah. Size. That's why Louis got his ass handed to him by Buddy Baer, Abe Simon, and Primo Carnera. And why Dempsey was handily beaten by the 60+ pounds heavier Jess Willard. Remember when Nicolay Valuev clearly out-pointed the nearly 100 pounds lighter Ruslan Chagaev? I don't. Because that never happned. Actually, none of those things ever happened. Your argument is not valid.
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Old 08-18-2009, 05:36 AM   #24
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Old 08-18-2009, 05:47 AM   #25
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This would be Louis against Carnera all over again, only I don't think Vitali would last as long as Carnera did. Louis would stop Vitali before the 6th round...in my opinion.
Carnera was old, never could take a punch, and was not much on offense. Essentially he was a sitting duck for Louis.

Vitali can box, punch and take a punch.

Fans or historians need to explain to me why superman was in fact out boxed often, didn't have the best chin, had porusu defense, and slow & predictable feet.

I guess big time knockout artists who blow away bum of the month guys or older past their pirme x champions and look good doing it are always over rated.

Nothing I see on film suggests Louis will out box Vitali, and since Vitali has the edge on defense, chin, and distance here, plus he'd probably hits harder then Schemling....
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Carnera was old, never could take a punch, and was not much on offense. Essentially he was a sitting duck for Louis.

Vitali can box, punch and take a punch.

Fans or historians need to explain to me why superman was in fact out boxed often, didn't have the best chin, had porusu defense, and slow & predictable feet.

I guess big time knockout artists who blow away bum of the month guys or older past their pirme x champions and look good doing it are always over rated.

Nothing I see on film suggests Louis will out box Vitali, and since Vitali has the edge on defense, chin, and distance here, plus he'd probably hits harder then Schemling....
If Louis was" outboxed often",how come he only lost 3 fights ,all to world Champions?
"Carnera was old" What,at 30?
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If Louis was" outboxed often",how come he only lost 3 fights ,all to world Champions?
"Carnera was old" What,at 30?
Because Louis had his own ref, in Donnovan scoring his fights, and the Madison Square garden judges in his pocket. IF the judging were fair on Louis filmed fights, he looses at least one match for sure, maybe two.

Carnera was a glandular freak. Those types mature very early and die young. If you look at the dates, Louis beat Carnera in 1935. By 1936 Carnera lost three fights in a row. Hence he was washed up.
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Old 08-18-2009, 06:15 AM   #28
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Carnera was old, never could take a punch, and was not much on offense. Essentially he was a sitting duck for Louis.
Carnera wasn't old. Carnera was 28.
Vitali is old. And Lewis was old when he beat Vitali.


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Fans or historians need to explain to me why superman was in fact out boxed often, didn't have the best chin, had porusu defense, and slow & predictable feet.

Er ....... no.
The reasons for Joe Louis being highly rated are fairly simple and self-explanatory.

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I guess big time knockout artists who blow away bum of the month guys or older past their pirme x champions and look good doing it are always over rated.
Doesn't matter where you rate Joe Louis among the greats. But he's one of the greats, that's indisputable.
Vitali's accomplishments dont even begin to measure up.
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Old 08-18-2009, 06:17 AM   #29
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Realize that Vitali rarely loses a round.
Yes that is because he has rarely fought anybody better than a tomato can even by the standards of the recent crop of beltholders.

Any contender can win rounds and maintain a high knockout percentage if he fights weak opposition. Frank Bruno being the case in point.

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He controls distance incredibly well, not at all an analogy to those oafs, the Baer's or Carnera.
How does he control distance better than Carnera or Baer?

The answer is he dosn't.

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He has legit superheavyweight power, applied in the manner of a boxer not in a Baer swing for fences manner.
Buddy Baer was not a swinger and neither was Carnera.

Watch some film of them.

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He is all together a different beast than Louis ever faced.
The bottom line is that he isn't.

He is exactly the kind of big limited fighter that Louis feasted on. He just had the luck to come allong in a weak era.
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Because Louis had his own ref, in Donnovan scoring his fights, and the Madison Square garden judges in his pocket. IF the judging were fair on Louis filmed fights, he looses at least one match for sure, maybe two.
Which two fights are you refering to ? What was the ringsider consensus ? Have you seen both these fights in their entirety ?


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Carnera was a glandular freak. Those types mature very early and die young. If you look at the dates, Louis beat Carnera in 1935. By 1936 Carnera lost three fights in a row. Hence he was washed up.
Alternatively you could say - Carnera won 4 fights in a row before facing Louis, and won four in a row after.
Lots of fighters go from their peak to being clearly past it within a year or a couple of fights.
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