Wladimir Klitschko vs. Rocky Marciano - Page 117

lufcrazy · 03-21-2013, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by dinovelvet

Layne looked like a dead body when he got ko'd. Not even a twitch came from him. He also had all his front teeth punched clean out of his gums.
Walcot didn't wake up for a couple of minutes and was well and truly smashed to bits.
Lastraza had his arms shattered and required surgery.
Savold got battered to bits.
Vingo got smashed into a come and nearly died.
Charles and Moore, both superior tacticians to both Rock and Haye took terrible beatings.

Then it's just a semantical argument because I wouldn't describe the Walcott fight as smashing to bits but I can easily see haye suffering as bad an ending to the fight.

dinovelvet · 03-21-2013, 03:31 PM

What about Cokel being launched through the ropes.

Flea Man · 03-21-2013, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by lufcrazy

Rock rarely smashed anyone to bits mate.

I think he'd win a war of attrition once haye tires but until that point it would be a great fight to watch. Haye is the bigger, stronger, quicker man and I believe he hits just as hard.

The big advantage rocky has is durability, workrate and stamina. Until the latter stages it would be a competitive fight imo.

Haye has never knocked anyone out. Ever. Bar Gurov, who couldn't hold a shot and was Euro level. Everyone else has been rising or taking a sustained drubbing. Sprott knocked Audley out more convincingly. His power is probably the most overrated punching power ever IMO, bar Valero. His finish ability is among the worst at the top level I have ever seen.

Rocky sparked Walcott, punched Louis out of the ring, and scored a Haye-esque K.O over a better fighter (Charles) than anyone Haye has stopped.

Haye is not very good at all mate. You're easily fooled by a bit of flash and aesthetic quality I think.

lufcrazy · 03-21-2013, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Flea Man

Haye has never knocked anyone out. Ever. Bar Gurov, who couldn't hold a shot and was Euro level. Everyone else has been rising or taking a sustained drubbing. Sprott knocked Audley out more convincingly. His power is probably the most overrated punching power ever IMO, bar Valero. His finish ability is among the worst at the top level I have ever seen.

Rocky sparked Walcott, punched Louis out of the ring, and scored a Haye-esque K.O over a better fighter (Charles) than anyone Haye has stopped.

Haye is not very good at all mate. You're easily fooled by a bit of flash and aesthetic quality I think.

I think you under rate his abilites greatly. like I say, I pick rocky to win a gruelling battle once haye tires out but it will be a great fight till that point x

Flea Man · 03-21-2013, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by lufcrazy

I think you under rate his abilites greatly. like I say, I pick rocky to win a gruelling battle once haye tires out but it will be a great fight till that point x

Nah. x

lufcrazy · 03-21-2013, 03:51 PM

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Nah. x

We'll just have to agree to disagree but I do think haye is a special talent.

Apologies for the kiss

I'm on my phone and texting a bird whilst posting on here

Flea Man · 03-21-2013, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by lufcrazy

We'll just have to agree to disagree but I do think haye is a special talent.

Really? WTF man!?

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Originally Posted by lufcrazy

Apologies for the kiss

I'm on my phone and texting a bird whilst posting on here

Oh. Okay.

lufcrazy · 03-21-2013, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Flea Man

Really? WTF man!?

Oh. Okay.

Yeah I am a believer in athletes, especially those with that combo of speed and power.

No offence man, you just ain't my type

Flea Man · 03-21-2013, 04:23 PM

Devastated on so many levels right now.

Absolutely! · 03-21-2013, 04:57 PM

Haye's hardly a special talent, or at least he hasn't shown us enough to make that statement anything more than hyperbole. He's fast, explosive, and has decent reflex timing. On the other hand he's prone to bouts of sloppiness, is overly wild in finishing, has pretty awful stamina and beneath all the flash and dazzle quite ordinary boxing skills. He's like a Jean Pascal/Andre Berto type fighter, and a lot more beatable than he appears. Of course, against the right kind of opponent he looks like a million bucks.

Rocky would grind him down for a late stoppage win I think, unless Haye gets on his bicycle all night or catches him with something monstrous (an uppercut most likely, in an unlikely scenario).

obviousalt · 03-21-2013, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Absolutely!

Haye's hardly a special talent, or at least he hasn't shown us enough to make that statement anything more than hyperbole. He's fast, explosive, and has decent reflex timing. On the other hand he's prone to bouts of sloppiness, is overly wild in finishing, has pretty awful stamina and beneath all the flash and dazzle quite ordinary boxing skills. He's like a Jean Pascal/Andre Berto type fighter, and a lot more beatable than he appears. Of course, against the right kind of opponent he looks like a million bucks.

Rocky would grind him down for a late stoppage win I think, unless Haye gets on his bicycle all night or catches him with something monstrous (an uppercut most likely, in an unlikely scenario).

It's very possible Haye stops him early.

Or he boxes him to a boring UD.

Or Marciano stops him after 6

Haye did show some improved conditioning in the Chisora fight (to counter his stamina)

Flea Man · 03-21-2013, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Absolutely!

Haye's hardly a special talent, or at least he hasn't shown us enough to make that statement anything more than hyperbole. He's fast, explosive, and has decent reflex timing. On the other hand he's prone to bouts of sloppiness, is overly wild in finishing, has pretty awful stamina and beneath all the flash and dazzle quite ordinary boxing skills. He's like a Jean Pascal/Andre Berto type fighter, and a lot more beatable than he appears. Of course, against the right kind of opponent he looks like a million bucks.

Rocky would grind him down for a late stoppage win I think, unless Haye gets on his bicycle all night or catches him with something monstrous (an uppercut most likely, in an unlikely scenario).

Wow. That is a stupendous post.

Flea Man · 03-21-2013, 05:04 PM

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It's very possible Haye stops him early.

Or he boxes him to a boring UD.

Or Marciano stops him after 6

Haye did show some improved conditioning in the Chisora fight (to counter his stamina)

Do one.

lufcrazy · 03-21-2013, 05:58 PM

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Rocky would grind him down for a late stoppage win I think, unless Haye gets on his bicycle all night or catches him with something monstrous (an uppercut most likely, in an unlikely scenario).

totally agree

Jorodz · 03-21-2013, 07:04 PM

i like bashing haye so i'll jump in here...i'm with luf that he's got some talent...fast, explosive, good power. on the downside he hasn't been anyone, at all. he got dominated in cartoonish manner by wlad (or not dino) and lost every second of every round against the only elite fighter he ever faced.

he looks good and he is flashy and with the right coach could have turned that into something. but as it stands, absolutely and flea are right imo that his technique and skill set is so amateurish he really peaked as a top 10 heavy who could talk to his way to top contender

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Absolutely! Fabulous, darling! ESB Addict Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: A cut above my left nose Posts: 3,121 vCash: 500	Re: Wladimir Klitschko vs. Rocky Marciano Haye's hardly a special talent, or at least he hasn't shown us enough to make that statement anything more than hyperbole. He's fast, explosive, and has decent reflex timing. On the other hand he's prone to bouts of sloppiness, is overly wild in finishing, has pretty awful stamina and beneath all the flash and dazzle quite ordinary boxing skills. He's like a Jean Pascal/Andre Berto type fighter, and a lot more beatable than he appears. Of course, against the right kind of opponent he looks like a million bucks. Rocky would grind him down for a late stoppage win I think, unless Haye gets on his bicycle all night or catches him with something monstrous (an uppercut most likely, in an unlikely scenario).
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Jorodz watching Gatti Ward 1... East Side VIP Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Canada, eh? Roy Jones, Jack Daniels and Grandma's Boy Posts: 11,210 vCash: 1139	Re: Wladimir Klitschko vs. Rocky Marciano i like bashing haye so i'll jump in here...i'm with luf that he's got some talent...fast, explosive, good power. on the downside he hasn't been anyone, at all. he got dominated in cartoonish manner by wlad (or not dino) and lost every second of every round against the only elite fighter he ever faced. he looks good and he is flashy and with the right coach could have turned that into something. but as it stands, absolutely and flea are right imo that his technique and skill set is so amateurish he really peaked as a top 10 heavy who could talk to his way to top contender
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